[MaskedRacer]

Originally Posted by Kevroqs

If you want to wear a mask, then wear a mask. Don't force other people to wear one

Very well said. That is the big problem. They are being forced on us. Surprisingly some of the biggest enforcers of the face coverings are churches!

[lovemyfl]

Originally Posted by MaskedRacer

And what exactly is it you want to do: lock down the economy. Allow people to starve, go to food lines, commit suicide, risk abuse from occurring, more crime occurring especially among bored youth. The main industries of the state to go away. Over something with a death rate well below 0.1% for people under 70 y.o? You have this 'burn it down' apporach to rid of the coronavirus??? Sounds like a democrat party political paln to me. "Burn it down". No thank you. We kinda like the USA thank you very much. Go move to New York City or San Fransicsco then. You'll get all the lockdown restrictions to your hearts delight. Or better yet move to Cuba.

I tell you what. You can enjoy life in the basement and we can go out and breathe air the way God meant us to. The coronabros have lost. Take the 'L'. Even the Big 10 and Pac 10 are about to get back going again.

Amen!

[robscar]

Here in Pa, a judge has ruled that the Governor's lockdown as unconstitutional. The gov, lt gov, nor health secretary will not release any of the data on how they determined what businesses can and cannot be open. Who can and cannot work(ie: essential workers), and the list goes on. There are video's of them shamelessly contradicting themselves. The gov went out to protest sans mask, which was ok, but lot allowed to go to church, small businesses, etc.
So after you find out that the mayor of Nashville and council members were hiding the data that showed bars and restaurants were not the cause of the spread of covid.
When you know, from the start from Dr Birx's mouth that the count of cases and deaths was going to be inflated you knew something was not right.
We are moving to Fl.

[beachmouse]

Originally Posted by Kevroqs

If you want to wear a mask, then wear a mask. Don't force other people to wear one

Which is the same argument that drunks long used about their right to slam six beers and then drive home from the bar. A country that doesn’t understand how the actions of one person negatively impacts others and thinks such selfish behavior is fine and dandy is doomed

[Ghaati]

Originally Posted by Kevroqs

If you want to wear a mask, then wear a mask. Don't force other people to wear one

I don't want to be forced to stop my concrete hauler at every stop sign. And yet, your legislation has forced me to do that. How come it was okay when they put the stop signs on the street to prevent my path from crossing your path, but it's not okay for them to mandate masks which stops my path from crossing your path?

Enquiring minds want to know.

[LKJ1988]

Just stay home and don't rome and then ya don't have to worry murry. Nothing has changed in my life as you can shoot CV19 in me and it won't do a thing. I never even get a cold.

[roadwarrior101]

Originally Posted by Kevroqs

60% of businesses say they're closing permanently because of the shut downs. And to keep shut downs in place will cause more businesses to close permanently and cause more job losses.

Businesses that are shutting down were likely in trouble before COVID. 60% of all restaurants fail within one year, with 80% failing within five years. Brick and mortar retail is also largely a dinosaur due to the likes of Amazon and other e-commerce sites.

Businesses need to reinvent themselves to adapt to the new economy. Those that don't get creative are doomed for failure. COVID should not be used as an excuse to justify unsafe behavior and put public health at risk.

[Corrie22]

Originally Posted by roadwarrior101

Businesses that are shutting down were likely in trouble before COVID.

..that's sorta like dying "with" corvd...instead of "because" of covid....isn't it

well that's wrong too

there's plenty of people that sunk their retirements into things like apartment buildings...that are now losing everything

..and businesses that were perfectly fine and were in no trouble at all

someone that owns a corner convenience store...rentals....etc....doesn't need to reinvent one dam thing

[Nik4me]

Originally Posted by cfenn006

Does he want Floridians to die?
Of course not, but he chose his loyalty to the Trump Administration and marching orders from Rick Scott. For all three of them, the lives of Floridians are absolutley 100% expendable to score October points.

I think, that both sides of the discussion need to take it down a notch.
The emotional language is inflammatory- taken right from our yellow press. (it seems all our press is yellow)

It is proven that the universal masks wearing, though not protective to the wearer- does slows down or even curbs the infection spread( and not only the novel coronavirus! the flu included)
However, if you are susceptible- and you know who you are - we as a society shall let them stay home, work from home or to accommodate these individuals in their workplace (N-99 masks, free sanitizer, individual office, negative pressure air, grocery delivery, telehealth ,remote learning, etc.)
We already lost a lot of Americans.

Hopefully, fully opening the economy will help us all to achieve the herd immunity (and if we lose some people, well- it is due to their own doing- not being careful, partying or being stupid and not wearing a mask and not socially distancing: it is their choice!)
Just being pragmatic and apolitical
P.S. I do my part and stay away from people

[MrKnight]

The title of this thread is rather overly dramatic and a clear attempt on the OP's part to stir conflict and debate, not to mention to say that someone would "want" people to die is rather insulting and shallow to say in my opinion. As far as why it is okay to re-open, YES it is and Sunshine Rules below said it perfectly:

Originally Posted by Sunshine Rules

This was released by the CDC this week--

COVID-19 SURVIVAL RATES (per CDC):
Ages 0-19: 99.997%
Ages 20-49: 99.98%
Ages 50-69: 99.5%
Ages 70+: 94.6%

Per the CDC’s numbers, those under 70-years-of-age have close to a 0% chance of dying from the infection.

For 6% of the deaths reported, COVID-19 was the only cause mentioned. For deaths with conditions or causes in addition to COVID-19, on average, there were 2.6 additional conditions or causes per death. There’s a big difference between dying WITH COVID and dying FROM it.

Right now, if you have terminal lung cancer, kidney or liver failure and test positive for COVID, you are counted as a COVID death.

This doesn’t mean COVID can’t be dangerous, it can. But it’s almost exclusively dangerous among those with certain diseases or advanced in age. It does not make sense to shut down the entire state based on the FACTS we now have about COVID-19.