[Poseidon3290]

Originally Posted by Ghaati

Not virtue-signaling, and not exclusive to Norwegian (even though they're the ones making the public announcement about it).

ANY ship that sails to ANY country that requires proof of vaccination in order to enter THEIR country - will NOT be able to sail to that country from Florida.

It won't be permitted, by that other country. It will be forbidden.

So those cruiselines that sail to other countries where proof of vaccination is required, will have to sail out of some other state, where the state's government doesn't mandate that cruise ships not be allowed to require proof of vaccination of their passengers.

Some other states will benefit from all the lost revenue - not just from taxes from the cruiselines...

but parking lot taxes for those who drive in. Airline taxes from those who fly in. Hotel, restaurant, and other tourism taxes that would have come from those passengers who stay overnight in Florida, but are now going to spend their tourism dollars in a different state because they're not ALLOWED to sail to their vaccine-proof-mandatory country from Florida.

The fact that the Gov. of Florida didn't realize he was shooting himself in the foot is hilarious. I love watching this Elmer Fudd in charge try to make big decisions.

[cfenn006]

Norwegian looked at the big picture and made an educated decision. There are a lot more ports to sail out of they are a Global Company. They also most likely settle out of court from more US citizen passengers and crew over a myraid of reasons than others. They would much rather do business in regions taking precautions and establishing guidelines to adhere to for operational and legal protection rather than the FED/CDC saying one thing and the state saying business as usual.



These ships also run on fixed staff and live in extremely cramped enclosed living spaces. When sick, they have to be quarantined , often have 1 to 3 roomates depending on their department. Ships provide medical care to crew with a ships doctor and when the problem is over their head send them to a clinic or hospital ashore on the cruise lines dime... nobody has health insurance. No smart cruiseline would go to Florida right now that isnt extremely desperate, just way too much risk.

[beachmouse]

Also, the majority of ship crews are likely to be vaccinated using Sputnik or one of the Sinovax/Sinopham because that was the first vaccine they had access to. The Sputnik vaccine has had enough quality control issues that Brazil of all places has ended up rejecting vaccine lots because they were not what what described on the box in lab testing, and there have been a number of breakthrough covid clusters in places where the Chinese vaccines were in heavy use like the Seychelles and Chile.

So vaccinated passengers lead to healthier crews (aka the swiss cheese approach to reducing spread) and fewer disruptions in service or routing.

[boy3365]

Originally Posted by kidyankee764

Where are they gonna go? New York, where they’ll have to sail in frigid weather half the year? Texas, which promises the same as Florida re vaccines? Savannah, which barely can accommodate one ship, nevermind several? Out of the country, effectively making travel difficult and more expensive for 90% of their clientele?

The company is playing a game to get their way. We all know they’re going nowhere.

Originally Posted by DefNotTheCops

No way they follow through, it would be business suicide. That said, don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out, Norwegian!

Yes. Playing games like the New York companies that threaten to move in regard to coming to Florida for whatever reason. Negotiating their rent or other costs with a media play. I guess it's okay to do if it lines up politically. All of these companies are playing the same game, whether they are threatening to leave Florida or New York.

Originally Posted by Ghaati

Florida is shooting itself in the foot. A LOT of that travel by cruise ship is to countries that DO mandate proof of vaccination in order to enter THEIR ports. So if Florida doesn't allow that proof on the cruises, then the cruises CANNOT go to those countries if they choose to sail out of Florida.

That won't just affect Norwegian. It'll affect any cruise line that has ships docking in other countries.

It also affects the hotel industry in and around the port of calls, because MILLIONS of ship passengers come the day or a few days before the sailing date to enjoy tourism in the port of call itself. Remember most cruisers do not live IN Florida. They come TO Florida, to get to the ship. That means the hotels, restaurants, other tourist attractions near the port of call, all rely to some extent on the cruise ships up and running, for revenue.

That means the state relies, to some extent, on cruise ships up and running. Yes the ships themselves only account for 1% of the revenue. But the entire tourism industry in that area relies a LOT more than 1% on people who stay in Miami or Ft. Lauderdale for their cruise ship the next day.

When comparing Miami tourist numbers to Orlando, a comeback line against Miami is to say that 5 million of their visitors go there to get on a boat and leave.

[Travelassie]

Originally Posted by beachmouse

So tell me how much money DeSantis' mad desire fo the White House will cost the state's economy if this goes through?

https://thepointsguy.com/news/norweg...-from-florida/

Bye- bye Norwegian, don't think FL will even notice you're gone......

I know I won't.

[beachmouse]

Originally Posted by Travelassie

Bye- bye Norwegian, don't think FL will even notice you're gone......

I know I won't.

The people who lose jobs over it will. Why do you hate hospitality workers?

[Trip Mcnealy]

Originally Posted by beachmouse

The people who lose jobs over it will. Why do you hate hospitality workers?

That's not Florida's fault.

[beachmouse]

Originally Posted by Trip Mcnealy

That's not Florida's fault.

It is if DeSantis drives the ships to friendlier ports.

[cfenn006]

The Cruise industry primarily relies on an international workforce, if a set amount of workers are infected and quarantined the company has to cancel the cruise, refund or credit passengers, and provide lodging, meal credit, and reimburse their travel to a point. This has happened with minor outbreaks of RI and GI, again Outbreaks happen really easily on places like cruise ships and assuming measures like vaccine mandate isnt necessary on them is wildly reckless and irresponsible.



The ships are usually flagged out of places like the Bahamas that can avoid paying state or federal minimum wage, to even allow US workers requires the same level of investment as processing a European or workers from the Asian Pacific, they cant just put up a now hiring sign a let Floridia workers walk on and start working...they wouldnt for the wages alone.



Also just because US does a terrible job protecting their workforce, doesnt mean other nations do the same. Cruise ship companies have to answer to all of them. When a worker in another country gets COVID and is either discharged, quarnteened, developes complications, infects others, or even dies their country of origin gets involved, and their first question to the company is almost always



"What measures did you take to prevent this?"


When after a global shutdown of an industry a company's first are voyages out of a region like Florida with their policies, they will be settling out multiple cases. Simply not worth it.

[Procyon73]

Originally Posted by k350

If a person is vaccinated, why would they care?

I have vaccinations against all sorts of things, I do not go around in life wondering if the people around me have such vaccinations, I do not care if they do.

It's become a militant religion that many blindly follow because of "progressive" politicians and their comrades in the mainstream media.