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I'd have to disagree. Texas is definitely more western than southern. I wouldn't ever consider it southern. Born and raised in the true south BTW.
I respectfully disagree, as a born and bred southern belle (born in New Orleans, raised in Louisiana, North Carolina, Virginia, Alabama, Tennessee, and Georgia and lived as an adult in South Carolina, Maryland, Arkansas and Texas). I've lived in East Texas for over twenty years and it's DEFINITELY part of the American south culturally. Not the DEEP south, but definitely the south. It's a fabulous mixture of southern and Texan and you're right in the sense that it's unique - but it's definitely unique in a southern way.
Parts of Texas may lean towards Southern, but the state is huge and varied. East Texas is very different than West Texas or South Texas. Many cities like San Antonio or El Paso have very little southern feel to them in my opinion.
I grew up in Dallas and lived in Austin and I consider many parts of Texas more similar to Arizona, New Mexico,Oklahoma, and Colorado than the Deep South. I also know Austin fancies itself a West Coast type of city...
However, I agree East Texas has a very southern feel to it.
This has been discussed ad nauseum in this forum. The vast majority of Texans themselves on this board will tell you that they live in the South.
And what is the "true south"? The South as a whole is not a monolithic region and has a couple of different subregions.
Actually I think most Texans would say they live in Texas. A friend of mine in college from the Austin area said that while it has Southern influence, it isn't completely in the South. He also said (and I was surprised since he was a big time GOP supporter and helped with the Rick Perry campaign for governor) that he disliked when people flew the confederate flag, though he was okay with the Texas flag flying over the American flag. I think most Texans feel this way. They have more Texas pride than Southern pride, granted that may be in Central Texas since most of the whites are Germans and Czechs, and maybe its that way with the Hispanics who've lived there a while.
Actually I think most Texans would say they live in Texas. A friend of mine in college from the Austin area said that while it has Southern influence, it isn't completely in the South. He also said (and I was surprised since he was a big time GOP supporter and helped with the Rick Perry campaign for governor) that he disliked when people flew the confederate flag, though he was okay with the Texas flag flying over the American flag. I think most Texans feel this way. They have more Texas pride than Southern pride, granted that may be in Central Texas since most of the whites are Germans and Czechs, and maybe its that way with the Hispanics who've lived there a while.
I totally agree with this. Texas is Texas first, and southern second. (And some would say a part of the US third, but many Texans would disagree and are very patriotic, myself included.) Personally I don't care for the confederate flag and you don't see many of those displayed around here, though you will see MANY Texas flags displayed.
It's not the CONFEDERACY that resonates with many Texans - but the South is so much more than the Confederacy, and I think that many people who aren't from that region don't realize that. I think that many people who aren't Southerners think that everyone who loves the South is all "South's gonna rise agin!" and sitting on the front porch drinking a mint julep wondering where all their slaves went, or wanting to secede again. Southern culture and heritage is so much more diverse and eclectic and, well, so much nicer than all that. It's the accent, the heat, the sweet tea, the grits and cornbread and black eyed peas, the friendliness, the musical traditions, the "Yes m'am" and pick up trucks and hard work and the love of rural settings and pastures and small towns and memories of Sunday school and long, hot summers wandering down red clay roads that is Southern to the core...those experiences and identities pull the region, including Texas, together.
Also...can you please just look at this map and then try to tell me that Texas isn't a southern state?
I do believe it's about as south as a state can get. And it's as much south EAST as it is south WEST. So the argument is pointless. It's a southern state. It's in the southern part of our nation, and it was a part of the southern confederacy, and it's chock full of people talking with southern drawls and sipping on sweet tea. Oh, and don't forget all the Saints fans which are here en masse either.
A stupid and pointless thread got derailed by a debate about something completely irrelevant to the already irrelevant and nonsensical topic......oh C-D....
A stupid and pointless thread got derailed by a debate about something completely irrelevant to the already irrelevant and nonsensical topic......oh C-D....
And this comment adds so much to the quality of the thread!
Even with Texas, the movies always show it as full of cowboys and rednecks which is not accurate.
I've also noticed that when a movie is set in a northern city like Pittsburgh they always show a nice establishing shot of the skyline, but nothing set in Atlanta ever shows how large and modern the city is. New Orleans is the only Southern city that gets depicted fairly in pop culture.
Even with Texas, the movies always show it as full of cowboys and rednecks which is not accurate.
I've also noticed that when a movie is set in a northern city like Pittsburgh they always show a nice establishing shot of the skyline, but nothing set in Atlanta ever shows how large and modern the city is. New Orleans is the only Southern city that gets depicted fairly in pop culture.
Right, because they can make it look crazy and weird and it's actually accurate!
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