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That's what I've heard, also. People from Maryland don't like Virginia. North Carolinians don't have a problem with Virginia, but we make fun of South Carolina all the time!
People from Virginia hate Maryland and your admiting that a lot of North Carolina bamas hate Maryland too.
3) Richmond in present times is arguably more urban than the largest Southern metros (DAL/HOUS/ATL/MIA), which in turn would make another difference between it and NC. Seriously visit these larger cities. "Larger", without question. But from the city to the burbs, Richmond has levels of urbanity that align much more with large Northern cities than large Southern ones. .
I travel a lot for work and have found that most cities in the south have achieved insane population numbers by simply annexing all land around them. You look at a city like Houston, which claims to be I think the 3rd or 4th largest city in the country, and it's basically got a downtown comparable to Rosslyn, VA or Tyson's Corner, VA, perhaps even smaller, and then it's basically one giant suburb. The population density of the actual city of Houston is only slightly higher than Fairfax County, and a third of what it is inside the beltway in DC. In fact, if you were to just throw DC, Fairfax County, Arlington and Alexandria together, they'd occupy less physical space and have a higher total population and density.
I spent quite some time in Phoenix, which has a laughable downtown that consists of a few sparsely located highrises and then sprawl as far as the eye can see (which is far in the flat desert).
The US has very few "real" cities that actually offer the city experience rather than the suburban office park experience. Most of these actual cities are such because they evolved before the dawn of suburban living and everyone having a fleet of cars to drive 30 miles away from the city center. Many of these cities fell on hard times when people fled due to the dirt cheap housing, unlimited energy and free gas periods of the 1950s-1990s, but all of that is over and now these cities have all exploded in the last few decades.
Long story short, the downtown area of Richmond, while definitely not huge, is much more comparable to a real city like Baltimore or DC than a place like Charlotte. The ranks of real cities that I'm referring to include SF, DC, NYC, Boston, Chicago, Philly, Baltimore, Milwaukee (small version), maybe LA City (not county), maybe denver and that's about it,
The fake cities that highlight incorrect perceptions on what a city are are places like Dallas, Houston, Phoenix, Charlotte, Atlanta, Orlando, Tampa, basically anywhere that only became habitable after air conditioning and are stuck in the 80s mentality that spread out equals better.
People from Virginia hate Maryland and your admiting that a lot of North Carolina bamas hate Maryland too.
Most people from Virginia don't hate Maryland. It's only the people in Northern Virginia and DC that hate Maryland because they have to deal with the dregs of MD on a daily basis. When you see both 495 bridges completely crowded coming into VA every day with Marylanders (and empty going the opposite direction) who drive like punks, have hoopties that aren't inspected and half the time don't have working brake lights running around on 24 inch rims 40 miles deep into Virginia every day, it gets old. When you live in one of the closer communities like Alexandria and 80% of the violent crime is committed by people from Prince Georges, it gets old. When every shopping center is full of MD plates and loud, obnoxious people from MD that come to Virginia because stores closed up shop in MD due to the crime, it gets old. When there's a 24 screen imax theatre just across the bridge that has to keep active duty police there at all times because 90% of the patrons are from PG, it gets old.
Maryland has some wonderful places, like the inner harbor of Baltimore, Annapolis or even the north western suburbs, but the crappiest people and crappiest place happens to butt up against Virginia and it really makes Virginians who have to deal with their antics come to be bitter about them.
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Most people from Virginia don't hate Maryland. It's only the people in Northern Virginia and DC that hate Maryland because they have to deal with the dregs of MD on a daily basis. When you see both 495 bridges completely crowded coming into VA every day with Marylanders (and empty going the opposite direction) who drive like punks, have hoopties that aren't inspected and half the time don't have working brake lights running around on 24 inch rims in 40 miles deep into Virginia every day, it gets old. When you live in one of the closer communities like Alexandria and 80% of the violent crime is committed by people from Prince Georges, it gets old. When every shopping center is full of MD plates and loud, obnoxious people from MD that come to Virginia because stores closed up shop in MD due to the crime, it gets old. When there's a 24 screen imax theatre just across the bridge that has to keep active duty police there at all times because 90% of the patrons are from PG, it gets old.
There's a stark socioeconomic contrast between Alexandria and Oxon Hill. Probably one of the starkest among 2 adjacent suburbs in the D.C. area.
What shopping centers do you go to in Virginia that are full of people from Prince George's County? That would be interesting because I've never seen that. The people you're complaining about are probably native Virginians.
I would think that most PG folks would rather shop at National Harbor than bother to cross over the bridge into Virginia.
There's a stark socioeconomic contrast between Alexandria and Oxon Hill. Probably one of the starkest among 2 adjacent suburbs in the D.C. area.
What shopping centers do you go to in Virginia that are full of people from Prince George's County? That would be interesting because I've never seen that. The people you're complaining about are probably native Virginians.
I would think that most PG folks would rather shop at National Harbor than bother to cross over the bridge into Virginia.
Pentagon City Row/Mall, Anywhere on Route 1 or Duke Street in Alexandria, AMC Hoffman movie theater and shops. It's obvious they're from MD because of the parking lots are completely full of MD plates.
No one goes to National Harbor to shop, unless you mean the outlet mall. The Harbor itself is full of crappy, overpriced chain restaurants and DC parking costs. I would venture a guess that most people's first visit to National Harbor is also their last.
I imagine there is more interaction between VA and MD than VA and NC, although I'd say pairing VA up with NC based off similarities would be more accurate than pairing VA up with MD. The DC metro is obviously between the two, and I'd say the Richmond metro is a tad bit closer to DC than the Triangle region of NC. Down here in the Triangle region of NC, you rarely hear about people going up to the Richmond area or NOVA and I imagine it's the same case in VA besides cities like Danville and Martinsville that feed off the Triad region of NC. Not to mention the areas in VA closer to the VA/NC border are very rural. Anyone else agree???
I travel a lot for work and have found that most cities in the south have achieved insane population numbers by simply annexing all land around them. You look at a city like Houston, which claims to be I think the 3rd or 4th largest city in the country, and it's basically got a downtown comparable to Rosslyn, VA or Tyson's Corner, VA, perhaps even smaller, and then it's basically one giant suburb. The population density of the actual city of Houston is only slightly higher than Fairfax County, and a third of what it is inside the beltway in DC. In fact, if you were to just throw DC, Fairfax County, Arlington and Alexandria together, they'd occupy less physical space and have a higher total population and density.
I spent quite some time in Phoenix, which has a laughable downtown that consists of a few sparsely located highrises and then sprawl as far as the eye can see (which is far in the flat desert).
The US has very few "real" cities that actually offer the city experience rather than the suburban office park experience. Most of these actual cities are such because they evolved before the dawn of suburban living and everyone having a fleet of cars to drive 30 miles away from the city center. Many of these cities fell on hard times when people fled due to the dirt cheap housing, unlimited energy and free gas periods of the 1950s-1990s, but all of that is over and now these cities have all exploded in the last few decades.
Long story short, the downtown area of Richmond, while definitely not huge, is much more comparable to a real city like Baltimore or DC than a place like Charlotte. The ranks of real cities that I'm referring to include SF, DC, NYC, Boston, Chicago, Philly, Baltimore, Milwaukee (small version), maybe LA City (not county), maybe denver and that's about it,
The fake cities that highlight incorrect perceptions on what a city are are places like Dallas, Houston, Phoenix, Charlotte, Atlanta, Orlando, Tampa, basically anywhere that only became habitable after air conditioning and are stuck in the 80s mentality that spread out equals better.
For the real cities category, what about Cincinnati, Pittsburgh, Cleveland, St. Louis, Oakland, St. Paul-Minneapolis, Buffalo, Charleston, Savannah, and New Orleans? Where do you think Miami should be?
Most people from Virginia don't hate Maryland. It's only the people in Northern Virginia and DC that hate Maryland because they have to deal with the dregs of MD on a daily basis. When you see both 495 bridges completely crowded coming into VA every day with Marylanders (and empty going the opposite direction) who drive like punks, have hoopties that aren't inspected and half the time don't have working brake lights running around on 24 inch rims 40 miles deep into Virginia every day, it gets old. When you live in one of the closer communities like Alexandria and 80% of the violent crime is committed by people from Prince Georges, it gets old. When every shopping center is full of MD plates and loud, obnoxious people from MD that come to Virginia because stores closed up shop in MD due to the crime, it gets old. When there's a 24 screen imax theatre just across the bridge that has to keep active duty police there at all times because 90% of the patrons are from PG, it gets old.
Maryland has some wonderful places, like the inner harbor of Baltimore, Annapolis or even the north western suburbs, but the crappiest people and crappiest place happens to butt up against Virginia and it really makes Virginians who have to deal with their antics come to be bitter about them.
Wow. You make it sound like ALL of us from PG behave like this
There's a stark socioeconomic contrast between Alexandria and Oxon Hill. Probably one of the starkest among 2 adjacent suburbs in the D.C. area.
What shopping centers do you go to in Virginia that are full of people from Prince George's County? That would be interesting because I've never seen that. The people you're complaining about are probably native Virginians.
I would think that most PG folks would rather shop at National Harbor than bother to cross over the bridge into Virginia.
Depends on where in PG we live (it's a massive county after all, almost as big as LA). Here in the southern part of the county, we often prefer to shop up in Bowie Town Center or go to either Tanger Outlets, Brandywine Crossing, and we do shop a lot in the Waldorf-St. Charles area in Charles County.
If we feel like dealing with VA traffic, we travel across the river to Old Town Alexandria, Potomac Yards, Potomac Mills in Woodbridge, and Pentagon City for our couture fix (I believe us Prince Georgians are one of, if not THE, biggest shoppers in the DMV).
For us in southern PG, if we're staying in MD but want a change of scenery from the Southern Maryland shopping scene, then we often travel up to Westfield Annapolis in Annapolis, Arundel Mills in Hanover, Columbia Mall in Columbia, or Towson Town Center in Towson.
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