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I'm relatively unopposed to most metro area boundaries, though I have to say Washington D.C. and Baltimore have grown to the point where they overlap each other.
Salt Lake City split from Ogden and is now its own metropolitan area. However, if you take a look at this map
you see that the Salt Lake metro encompasses Salt Lake, Tooele and Summit Counties. The latter two have vast expanses of nothing (in the case of Tooele) or wilderness (in the case of Summit). Salt Lake County should be the only one included.
St. Louis
Atlanta
Kansas City
Houston
and a lot of the metro areas out west/SW.
They just simply cover too much land area IMO, and can make comparisons between areas a lot less accurate. They should factor in other things more than just mainly commuting patterns.
Well that is what CSA's are all about. It's based on commuter levels. Now, if you're looking for other factors, consider looking at the Urbanized Area population which are continuous blocks of density levels of over 1,000 per square mile. I think this is what you are looking for.
top 10 cities under UA as of 2000 (so understand these are old).
1. New York 17,799,861
2. Los Angeles 11,789,487 (actually the densest metro in the top 10)
3. Chicago 8,304,904
4. Philadelphia 5,149,079
5. Miami 4,919,036
6. Dallas 4,145,659
7. Boston 4,032,484
8. Washington 3,933,320
9. Detroit 3,903,377
10. Houston 3,822,509
Well that is what CSA's are all about. It's based on commuter levels. Now, if you're looking for other factors, consider looking at the Urbanized Area population which are continuous blocks of density levels of over 1,000 per square mile. I think this is what you are looking for.
top 10 cities under UA as of 2000 (so understand these are old).
1. New York 17,799,861
2. Los Angeles 11,789,487 (actually the densest metro in the top 10)
3. Chicago 8,304,904
4. Philadelphia 5,149,079
5. Miami 4,919,036
6. Dallas 4,145,659
7. Boston 4,032,484
8. Washington 3,933,320
9. Detroit 3,903,377
10. Houston 3,822,509
Where is SF? I thought SF would be much higher than Miami, Dallas, Boston, Detroit, and Houston.
For future reference, where did you get this list?
I'm having trouble wrapping my arms around this cmsa. How can Philaldephia join this party?
Wash-Bal is the 4th largest cmsa. Its a 150 mile trek from N to S. From Harford co Md to Spotslvania co. Va. We wont even get into E-W boundaries that leads all the way into W VA.
Boston Providence RI NH metro spans 140 miles from Concord NH to Newport RI. pop 7,476,000.
Wash -Bal= 150 miles N to S (Harford to Spotsylvania).......... 8,241,000 pop
Bos-Providence = 140 miles N to S(Concord to Newport) ...... 7,476,000 pop
Philadlephia= 60 miles N to S(Bucks to Gloucester)...6,385,000 pop
Now lets make it a bit fairer and expand Phillys metro to that of Boston/Prov + Wash/Bal.
If Philadlephia were afforded the same dimensions as its competitors it has 10,000,000 people living between Atlantic City and Allentown which is still more compact than both Bos and Wash cmsa's.
How can Boston claim Concord NH(70 M away) where there is mile after mile of New England countryside in between, but Philadlephia doesnt get to include Allentown(60M).
I'm having trouble wrapping my arms around this cmsa. How can Philaldephia join this party?
Wash-Bal is the 4th largest cmsa. Its a 150 mile trek from N to S. From Harford co Md to Spotslvania co. Va. We wont even get into E-W boundaries that leads all the way into W VA.
Boston Providence RI NH metro spans 140 miles from Concord NH to Newport RI. pop 7,476,000.
Wash -Bal= 150 miles N to S (Harford to Spotsylvania).......... 8,241,000 pop
Bos-Providence = 140 miles N to S(Concord to Newport) ...... 7,476,000 pop
Philadlephia= 60 miles N to S(Bucks to Gloucester)...6,385,000 pop
Now lets make it a bit fairer and expand Phillys metro to that of Boston/Prov + Wash/Bal.
If Philadlephia were afforded the same dimensions as its competitors it has 10,000,000 people living between Atlantic City and Allentown which is still more compact than both Bos and Wash cmsa's.
How can Boston claim Concord NH(70 M away) where there is mile after mile of New England countryside in between, but Philadlephia doesnt get to include Allentown(60M).
Man...you've got the quals of a good DC lobbyist. When are you going to become a lobbyist? Com'on man, you can do it. Philly is only two hours away from DC.
Cleveland is also very cheated in the land area category for the metro area. I understand very well how metros are formed, but I dont agree with the way they do it because its very misleading when comparing areas.
For example, Atlanta takes up over 4 times as much land area as Cleveland. I dont have time to look up the exact numbers now, but its correct (around 2,000 sq miles for Cleveland, and over 8,000 sq miles for Atlanta). Atlantas metro has a population of around 5.4 million. Cleveland currently only has 2.2 million. So some may think that Atlanta is so much larger than Cleveland when it really isnt. If the Cleveland metro took up as much land area as the Atlanta metro we would actually have about 5.2 million people. So in reality, Cleveland and Atlanta are actually around the same size if you look at it like that. Cleveland is cheated in that sense.
Cleveland is also very cheated in the land area category for the metro area. I understand very well how metros are formed, but I dont agree with the way they do it because its very misleading when comparing areas.
For example, Atlanta takes up over 4 times as much land area as Cleveland. I dont have time to look up the exact numbers now, but its correct (around 2,000 sq miles for Cleveland, and over 8,000 sq miles for Atlanta). Atlantas metro has a population of around 5.4 million. Cleveland currently only has 2.2 million. So some may think that Atlanta is so much larger than Cleveland when it really isnt. If the Cleveland metro took up as much land area as the Atlanta metro we would actually have about 5.2 million people. So in reality, Cleveland and Atlanta are actually around the same size if you look at it like that. Cleveland is cheated in that sense.
I thought rainrock was the only one with the crazy consipiracy theories. But now you're on the same boat as rainrock.
Altanta metro is much bigger than Clevenland metro.
Rainrock, did you know that there are 7 metros bigger than Philly?
I thought rainrock was the only one with the crazy consipiracy theories. But now you're on the same boat as rainrock.
Altanta metro is much bigger than Clevenland metro.
Rainrock, did you know that there are 7 metros bigger than Philly?
Ha. You are misguided. There are 3 metroes bigger than Philadlephia.
1.NYC
2.LA
3.Chicago
4.Philadelphia
Then you have a handful of illusionary wannabe players who need a special cmsa category to feel important.
Delusions of grandeur.
I have much more respect for metro Detroit which is a legitimate metropolitan area thats genesis is reliant on Detroit city than these fraudulent johnny come lately pretenders.
I say combine the Chicago MSA and the Milwaukee MSA into a CSA. It might be a little overextended, but Chicagos CSA already stretches into Wisconsin, and Milwaukee's CSA stretches to around the border with Chicago's CSA.
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