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I was born in Illinois, but I would have supported the CSA and I support secession now. I want Wyoming to go along. Eastern Colorado is very conservative; there was a movement to form a new state so they might go along. That woud provide a corridor. We could have several billion dollars in additional revenue every year.
It's really just a matter of time until California becomes a separate country. Its name would be Aztlan; a number of prominent California politicians have supported it.
The Northwest Fron has been actively working for a White homeland in the NW. They believe that they can attract enough people although thet only seem to have a few thousand at this time. This would be great for Wyoming because a new country would welcome our coal at their ports. China would take all of the coal that we can ship; that's a lot of coal.
Plenty of people would yell and scream, but there wouldn't be any invasion. The opportunities for economic growth for the new nation or nations would be outstanding.
As long as we are playing an imaginary 'what if' situation...the Kudzu Republic states would be petitioning for admission within a few years or earlier. That's a big coast that would need to be patrolled at great cost. Hurricanes and tornados would bring a yearly devastation with no federal help. Insurance rates would soar. Eventually global warming would render much of the high end coastal property worthless without tremendous investments of bailout tax dollars. The highway system would degrade and the roads would be clogged with people and industries leaving the former states and meth cookers moving in. Public health and education would falter even worse than it is now.The northern states would probably benefit by not having to bailout and support the south...but we are in this together and united by a common language and culture and a unique history...so the failed Kudzu states would be absorbed into the Union.
As long as we are playing an imaginary 'what if' situation...the Kudzu Republic states would be petitioning for admission within a few years or earlier. That's a big coast that would need to be patrolled at great cost. Hurricanes and tornados would bring a yearly devastation with no federal help. Insurance rates would soar. Eventually global warming would render much of the high end coastal property worthless without tremendous investments of bailout tax dollars. The highway system would degrade and the roads would be clogged with people and industries leaving the former states and meth cookers moving in. Public health and education would falter even worse than it is now.The northern states would probably benefit by not having to bailout and support the south...but we are in this together and united by a common language and culture and a unique history...so the failed Kudzu states would be absorbed into the Union.
What's the "Kudzu Republic"?
Anyway, I suspect the bailout would come from the South, not the North, because it would be the Southern and Midwestern conservative regions that would return to old fashioned capitalism and start growing wealth, whilst the Northeast and West strangle themselves with socialistic policies, Obamacare and so forth.
Born and raised Southerner and I would adamantly oppose secession. It is an absurd delusion in the first place, and I always laugh when a self-proclaimed patriot lends their support to secession.
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What's the "Kudzu Republic"?
Anyway, I suspect the bailout would come from the South, not the North, because it would be the Southern and Midwestern conservative regions that would return to old fashioned capitalism and start growing wealth, whilst the Northeast and West strangle themselves with socialistic policies, Obamacare and so forth.
By all means look up what states are considered "makers" and what states are considered "takers." The vast majority of Southern states are the most heavily dependent on the federal government (see:2015) and consequently seem to be the largest beneficiaries of "socialistic policies."
American misconceptions on what constitutes "true capitalism" are equally humorous at this point, especially when American Capitalism has historically been far more influenced by the likes of the protectionist/interventionist economic theories of Hamilton or List than it was by the laissez-faire of classical economists like Smith or Ricardo, and has prospered as a consequence.
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I was born in Illinois, but I would have supported the CSA and I support secession now. I want Wyoming to go along. Eastern Colorado is very conservative; there was a movement to form a new state so they might go along. That woud provide a corridor. We could have several billion dollars in additional revenue every year.
It's really just a matter of time until California becomes a separate country. Its name would be Aztlan; a number of prominent California politicians have supported it.
The Northwest Fron has been actively working for a White homeland in the NW. They believe that they can attract enough people although thet only seem to have a few thousand at this time. This would be great for Wyoming because a new country would welcome our coal at their ports. China would take all of the coal that we can ship; that's a lot of coal.
Plenty of people would yell and scream, but there wouldn't be any invasion. The opportunities for economic growth for the new nation or nations would be outstanding.
I think it will split before it secedes..................... Aztian huh?
Draper's stated reasoning for the proposal was that the state is too large and ungovernable, and he therefore wanted to split California to produce six smaller and more efficient state governments. Opponents argued that it would have been a waste of money and resources to split California and create these new governments. Critics also charged that this was a money and political power grab designed to separate California's wealthy areas from the poor, and to diminish the state's reliability as a predominantly Democratic Party-supporting "blue state".
I was born in Illinois, but I would have supported the CSA and I support secession now. I want Wyoming to go along. Eastern Colorado is very conservative; there was a movement to form a new state so they might go along. That woud provide a corridor. We could have several billion dollars in additional revenue every year.
It's really just a matter of time until California becomes a separate country. Its name would be Aztlan; a number of prominent California politicians have supported it.
The Northwest Fron has been actively working for a White homeland in the NW. They believe that they can attract enough people although thet only seem to have a few thousand at this time. This would be great for Wyoming because a new country would welcome our coal at their ports. China would take all of the coal that we can ship; that's a lot of coal.
Plenty of people would yell and scream, but there wouldn't be any invasion. The opportunities for economic growth for the new nation or nations would be outstanding.
I think it will split before it secedes..................... Aztian huh?
Draper's stated reasoning for the proposal was that the state is too large and ungovernable, and he therefore wanted to split California to produce six smaller and more efficient state governments. Opponents argued that it would have been a waste of money and resources to split California and create these new governments. Critics also charged that this was a money and political power grab designed to separate California's wealthy areas from the poor, and to diminish the state's reliability as a predominantly Democratic Party-supporting "blue state".
Two points, that have been brought up in this thread already:
1) the split isn't north/south anymore, its red/blue (or however you want to phrase it), but geographically its essentially city/rural. The rural people vote R and (theoretically) might want to secede, but most of the city dwellers vote D and wouldn't. We are not the same country we were 150 years ago.
2) we already fought a war over this, and the side that wanted to secede lost. There is no way (with our current constitution) for any state to secede from the union. Even though some Texans like to think they can (their constitution says they can split into 5 states, not secede, but even that would be a stretch), they can't.
I realize the OP is from Scotland, but in the real world it just can't happen (barring another civil war OR a collapse of the entire govt).
So far nobody has mentioned Hawaii becoming a sovereign country again. I'd suspect that if the south dropped out, Hawaii and perhaps Alaska and maybe the territories might consider it, too. But, economically, how much of each state's money is coming in from Federal sources? Could they afford to leave the union?
If you look at it one way, though, a lot of these countries are just separated by lines on a map. Doesn't seem to make sense for a section of one big block to be separate from another unless there's some sort of geographical feature - moutain range, ocean, river, etc., - to delineate it.
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