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Originally Posted by Storm Eagle
Businesses are a privilege to own no one has a right to own one. This means if you own a business you are not entitled to do whatever you want you have to do what you want. Society not you as a business owner can set certain things.If you can not pay an employee enough to live on and other people have to pay for them that just show how entitled and selfish the business owner is. If you can not pay an employee much then here is a thought you do not need that job in your business but providing a job just so can pay someone as little as possible is not okay.
Business owners are not paying people to support them financially. They are hired and paid to help them get the work done so that they can make a profit. A business owner has an obligation to their family to make as much as they can, and that means paying employees as little as they have to. Just as a CEO and their managers are obligated to minimize payroll costs to maximize profits for the shareholders. People who want to make $15 or more need to acquire the skills to get a job that pays more. When I had my business for 16 years I paid well over minimum ($12 in 2004) but hired people with skills who produced and provided value in their production. Most were college students.
If the minimum wage is so low that a person working full time, or nearly full time needs to rely on social service benefits to sustain themselves then it needs to be raised. I think we either raise it, or we should tax employers for every single penny of thet money that is distributed to their employees in welfare, eitc and food stamps
Or government taxes need to be reduced/eliminated for those individuals.
Business owners are not paying people to support them financially. They are hired and paid to help them get the work done so that they can make a profit. A business owner has an obligation to their family to make as much as they can, and that means paying employees as little as they have to.
And I have a right to refuse to spend my money at a business that is not socially responsible, and there are more and more people who are doing exactly that. Look at the dump McDonald's is taking, do you think people quit eating hamburgers all of a sudden, or could it be that people would rather spend their money at a place like in-n-out that pays and treats it's employees well?
Business owners are not paying people to support them financially. They are hired and paid to help them get the work done so that they can make a profit. A business owner has an obligation to their family to make as much as they can, and that means paying employees as little as they have to. Just as a CEO and their managers are obligated to minimize payroll costs to maximize profits for the shareholders. People who want to make $15 or more need to acquire the skills to get a job that pays more. When I had my business for 16 years I paid well over minimum ($12 in 2004) but hired people with skills who produced and provided value in their production. Most were college students.
Last time I checked one reason people work jobs is to make enough to support themselves financially so yes they are that is how it has been for a long time. Just like a business owner has an obligation to their families the employees have obligations to their families to make enough to provide for themselves and their families but it only matters if the owner does is that right? So why does a business owner have to pay as little as possible to feed their families? If you are a good business owner you should be able to make enough for yourself and your employees but you just want to make excuses for business owners to be greedy. So what happens when all the employees get more skills and move up who is going to work for the business and how is the business going to prosper no one is there to work for them? You do not seem to be living in reality.
So what happens when all the employees get more skills and move up who is going to work for the business and how is the business going to prosper no one is there to work for them? You do not seem to be living in reality.
Actually that's how capitalism works. Workers vote with their feet. The business has a job for a set amount of pay, If he has no takers for the job, He raises the amount of pay for the job or eliminates the position or closes his doors. That's what happens when you have a vibrant economy and business are fighting over workers. Unlike this pathetic one where we have 100 million able body workers with no jobs.
In a nutshell, what really bothers me is that we start at the top with owner and/or executives down through line managers saying "it's overhead; we just have to pull their pay from overall revenues" until we get down to the line workers and then suddenly it is "we can't pay them more than what comes in the door based solely on their contribution". Some examples of why I think they should be treated in a similar manner... Being open late brings more customers in at all hours because a place becomes their "go to", so even though the late shift employees have less sales, they help the overall revenue increase. Having the most locations has a similar effect, but some locations won't do well. In manufacturing, having a wide range of products in the line/industry you primarily target helps the overall bottom line even though some products are difficult to produce at a profit when scrutinized individually. Treat people like they are part of your overall business and if you cannot afford to pay them enough, then your overall business has a problem.
In a nutshell, what really bothers me is that we start at the top with owner and/or executives down through line managers saying "it's overhead; we just have to pull their pay from overall revenues" until we get down to the line workers and then suddenly it is "we can't pay them more than what comes in the door based solely on their contribution". Some examples of why I think they should be treated in a similar manner... Being open late brings more customers in at all hours because a place becomes their "go to", so even though the late shift employees have less sales, they help the overall revenue increase. Having the most locations has a similar effect, but some locations won't do well. In manufacturing, having a wide range of products in the line/industry you primarily target helps the overall bottom line even though some products are difficult to produce at a profit when scrutinized individually. Treat people like they are part of your overall business and if you cannot afford to pay them enough, then your overall business has a problem.
You nailed it, It's an accounting trick, no matter how much execs get in pay and bonuses it's just a 'cost of doing business', it's not until you get to regular employees that you hear how their pay is hurting the "bottom line"
You nailed it, It's an accounting trick, no matter how much execs get in pay and bonuses it's just a 'cost of doing business', it's not until you get to regular employees that you hear how their pay is hurting the "bottom line"
Because some are easier to replace then others. Hard to replace = more value = $$. Want more money, become more valuable to your employer. 100 million people are looking for work, thousands crossing the border everyday. H1-B looking to take your job, for the same pay, you have now. We are all replaceable, so do what you can to make it harder to pull that trigger.
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