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Old 10-29-2016, 07:23 PM
 
Location: Sun City West, Arizona
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Bowdoin college, in Maine, was one of the first colleges to integrate.
You conveniently forgot to mention the college's ties to the Confederacy and Jefferson Davis.
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Old 10-29-2016, 08:16 PM
 
Location: Buckeye, AZ
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Lol.... No. I went out of my way to teach the most controversial topics. But I also went out of my way to teach them in an even-handed way. I thought of it as "the teacher's creed", I guess.

I have stayed abreast of education news since I left teaching (and now work in many schools in a different capacity).
So I am pretty sure that my old "creed" has gone out the window.
You skirted the question. My question is claiming school is indoctrination only when you disagree with the topic is something you don't agree with. I think your personal teaching style is good, I'm just challenging your view on what is and isn't indoctrination...
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Old 10-29-2016, 09:33 PM
 
Location: New York Area
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You conveniently forgot to mention the college's ties to the Confederacy and Jefferson Davis.
What was that connection?
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Old 10-29-2016, 10:59 PM
 
Location: Buckeye, AZ
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What was that connection?
They awarded the then Secretary of War an honorary doctorate and then created the Jefferson Davis award for outstanding law students. It's marginal at best...
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Old 10-29-2016, 11:09 PM
 
Location: Sun City West, Arizona
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What was that connection?
What was the connection that they were early in integrating? What one college does doesn't say much of anything in particular about the STATE of Maine.
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Old 10-31-2016, 10:23 AM
 
Location: Berwick, Penna.
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They awarded the then Secretary of War an honorary doctorate and then created the Jefferson Davis award for outstanding law students. It's marginal at best...

In the mindset of the Politically Correct, anything which falls outside their standards, let alone lies in opposition to them, must be suppressed, and the end justifies the means!

Think of the process as Instant (and Portable) Fascism.

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You conveniently forgot to mention the college's ties to the Confederacy and Jefferson Davis.
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What was the connection that they were early in integrating? What one college does doesn't say much of anything in particular about the STATE of Maine.
So apparently, some people aren't certain whether the actions of a small, but well-reputed academic institution (taken out of context, BTW), deserve censure or not. I see a contradiction here, and when a contradiction is found, it's time to re-examine the premises, -- and not within the narrow standards of a small circle of self-designated illuminati.

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Old 10-31-2016, 10:38 AM
 
Location: New York Area
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In the mindset of the Politically Correct, anything which falls outside their standards, let alone lies in opposition to them, must be suppressed , and the end justifies the means!

Think of the process as Instant (and Portable) Fascism.

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So apparently, some people aren't certain whether the actions of a small, but well-reputed academic institution (taken out of context, BTW), deserve censure or not. I see a contradiction here, and when a contradiction is found, it's time to re-examine the premises, -- and not within the narrow standards of a small circle of self-designated illuminati
I doubt many of these would apply the same standards when it comes to one-off incidents of racism. They'd tar the whole community for the acts of a crank.
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Old 10-31-2016, 11:28 AM
 
Location: NYC
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The new requirement for US citizenship should be "Are you willing to work at or below minimum wage?"
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Old 10-31-2016, 08:14 PM
 
Location: Berwick, Penna.
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I want to approach this from another angle, for the moment.

Much of the education I received in both history and civics/citizenship during those years stressed the rule of law and the continuous processes of government under a written Constitution and parliamentary procedure. And both during, and in the years immediately following the upheavals of the Sixties, those of us old enough and literate enough were all witnesses to this process at work.

That was demonstrated in both directions -- the removal of the last vestiges of outright segregation in the Deep South, and the sweeping away of many of the impediments to the workings of open markets via a process known as deregulation. In the interim, we also saw a sitting President removed -- not by the direct process of impeachment, but by the demonstration in a free press that formal impeachment and conviction were inevitable, and the recognition in multiple camps that resignation was the best way to save what little dignity was left.

Compare this, if you have the stomach for it, to the disgusting cronyism, sensationalism, and appeals to short-sight from both major parties which we have witnessed in recent years.

We have lost our way, thanks to Madison Avenue, Hollywood, the "packaging" of public affairs, the bureaucratizing and commercialization of education, and any number of lesser societal trends. Yet I can't believe that most of us still approach our responsibility to participate in the process of statecraft with the shameful primary criterion of "What's in this for me and my own?"

if so, it's time to turn the responsibility for leadership in the further advancement of human progress over to another nation; but if not, it's time to turn out the wannabee-demagogues on both sides of the polarization, egoism and short-sight which threatens all of us.

I think a certain junior high school teacher I knew many years ago would understand that simile.

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Old 11-03-2016, 12:04 PM
 
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The point I don't get is: Why is the educational system downplaying and bad mouthing American history and civics? Why and when did it become taboo to have pride in your country and what is the ultimate goal?
Conservatives have always been known for banning and burning books
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