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Location: Formerly Pleasanton Ca, now in Marietta Ga
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Originally Posted by phetaroi
I have said several times that I don't approve of militia-types in any school where I'm an administrator (or teacher).
I have said that I agree with the Florida governor's proposal to put one police officer per 1,000 students on duty in every school. I have also talked about how my former school system paid for a police officer at every middle and high school, and how trading one instructional position for one police position makes it cost effective.
I have said I support strengthening background checks, but not outlawing guns.
I have said that I support outlawing bump stocks.
It's not my fault that we have so many threads on the same topic that you can't keep up.
I don't know if I have the moral high ground but I know that in a poll released just today, over 70% favored stronger gun control.
Unfortunately that is what the liberals love-stronger gun control. Ok. How? How will it really work and what is the thought process behind it? It sounds good to say "I support more gun control." If you ask them exactly what they don't know or are completely misinformed.
Here in Georgia Dicks Sporting goods stores proclaimed they will no longer sell assault style guns. They asked the public what they thought and one person thought it was a great idea they were not going to sell automatic weapons, her words exactly.
What that tells me is people are making decisions based on false ideas which a huge amount of people have. On this forum several have suggested banning ar15s, but not other rifles. When asked why they said things like it wipes out people with 60 bullets per second. Totally wrong- one trigger pull, one bullet. Even a fully auto only fires a bit over 13 per second, not 60). So here's a person spreading misinformation like it was a fact just to further their cause. So purposely lying is their way of shifting opinion.
Every time someone points out the futility of banning an ar 15 with a long thread comparing the AR15 to other rifles and demonstrating they function the same and are generally equally as lethal as the ok hunting rifles (which some people are ok with, just get rid of the ar15), the poster asking for the ban ignores that and either continues to repeat themselves not willing to learn the facts. or they leave and spew out the same stuff on another thread.
For example on another thread someone suggested tiered gun ownership where you qualify to own different guns after a class. He pointed out he took a gun safety class and had to demonstrate his ability by firing 5 rounds. He suggested after the first tier you get a 22 rifle. Next tier a more powerful rifle, etc.
I asked him what exactly in the class will prevent someone like the Florida shooter to be swayed mentally. He can still take the class and pass and still get the firearm. If anything the class could make the person more skilled with the firearm and more dangerous.
The poster still hasn't answered because they haven't really thought it out. It sounded good on the surface, but when asked how it would actually helped they couldn't answer.
So I think a lot of that 70% doesn't really know what they support actually. They only know something should be done, they feel bad, but haven't looked into the real problem. It just sounds like the right thing to say, but it's like illegal immigrants. Many people say something should be done, but nothing specific.
On another note, I apologize if you actually posted all those things on other threads. I agree with what you listed so somewhere on this thread I thought you were saying different.
Location: Formerly Pleasanton Ca, now in Marietta Ga
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Originally Posted by ABQConvict
Since the cause of school shootings is deviant mental states, yes, mental detectors would be a good idea if they existed.
On the other hand, Cruz, the Parkland shooter's mental deviance was well known long before his crime and we did nothing. So maybe the problem isn't whether AR-15s are legal or whether teachers are armed in schools, but the fact that a person can walk around freely with his unstable, violent propensities well known, and nothing is done about it.
Legally owned full auto weapons have been used in 3 murders in the US since 1934.
I am far more afraid of hands and feet which are the murder weapon used in ~600-800 murders per year, and almost everyone (except amputees) is armed with these weapons at all times, even infants and toddlers!
(And for fun, it is interesting to note that rifles, all rifles, even granny's old .22 she uses to scare possoms off the porchand not just the dreaded AR-15, are used in 250-300 murders per year, a lot less that the good old fashioned human fist.)
AR-15s are not being used in these shooting because they possess some special effectiveness over other guns. They are used because they are trendy. If cans of gasoline were trendy, psychopaths would be tossing gasoline bombs through school windows.
See above. Making AR-15s illegal to prevent shootings is like making Flaming Hot Cheetos illegal to prevent type II diabetes.
Cheeses, quit harping on the AK-47. The guy didn't use an AK, and flea market/private sales of full autos are most definitely NOT "booming". It costs *thousands* of dollars to obtain a full auto weapon whether legally or illegally. The people who have them are *well aware* of their value and they don't let them go cheap...you are totally talking through your...hat.
Thousands of dollars to obtain the most mass produced weapon on the planet? Seriously?!
They asked the public what they thought and one person thought it was a great idea they were not going to sell automatic weapons, her words exactly.
Im not surprised at all!!
The AR seems to be in the same class as a mini-gun to many folks out there!
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