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Lots of Jews in Spain also...before the Inquisition.
Lots of Jews afterward too, but they converted to Christianity or pretended to (became marranos or converses). Jews who convert are still genetically Jews.
Mexico never had African slavery outside of the extreme southeast, so I don't think Mexico is a very black country either. The overwhelming genetic heritage is American Indian (I don't know what else to call them), plus Spanish with a sprinkle of Irish, German, and other Europeans. And now a few Chinese.
Actually Mexico had a larger black population than the united states, but since they had no one drop rule they bred themselves out of existence.
I get the sense that whites wanted to use the one drop rule when it was to their advantage, but now that Blacks (and some other groups) are using it to their advantage, whites don't like the concept.
Being that the average African American is somewhere between 65-80% sub Saharan African that means we are also 20-35% European, that means many people we call half black are really closer to 1/4 black(or more accurately 5/8's white) genetically. so I would say the one drop rule is in play.
Being that the average African American is somewhere between 65-80% sub Saharan African that means we are also 20-35% European, that means many people we call half black are really closer to 1/4 black(or more accurately 5/8's white) genetically. so I would say the one drop rule is in play.
Big difference between being 40% black and 2% black
What I find interesting is exemplified by a certain truly mixed race television actor who is half Black and half Russian/Polish/Jew...and is working so hard to be seen as "just Black", ignoring one whole side of his family. Don't get me wrong...I believe people should be free to self-identify. I just find the drive some people have to claim only one heritage to be an interesting phenomenon.
Exactly! This is what bugged me about President Obama. He is 50% white but played up his black heritage and ignored his white heritage. He was called our first "black" president when in reality, he should have referred to as our first "mixed-race" president.
Exactly! This is what bugged me about President Obama. He is 50% white but played up his black heritage and ignored his white heritage. He was called our first "black" president when in reality, he should have referred to as our first "mixed-race" president.
Is that really what bugged you about Obama?
Obama was born in 1961, when his parents' marriage was still illegal in 16 states.
He was a grown man before the concept of "biracial" even began to any social meaning in the US. Why should he have claimed "biracial" when all his life people had called him "black?" There was no good in calling himself "mixed-race."
There still is no voting constituency for "mixed race."
What I find interesting is exemplified by a certain truly mixed race television actor who is half Black and half Russian/Polish/Jew...and is working so hard to be seen as "just Black", ignoring one whole side of his family. Don't get me wrong...I believe people should be free to self-identify. I just find the drive some people have to claim only one heritage to be an interesting phenomenon.
Inasmuch as you don't see him at home, you don't know that he's "ignoring one whole side of his family."
Or, maybe like Meghan Markle, he has some good reasons for ignoring one whole side of his family.
What you see is that he's supporting the side that is socially weakest, because he knows the strong side is okay.
Obama was born in 1961, when his parents' marriage was still illegal in 16 states.
He was a grown man before the concept of "biracial" even began to any social meaning in the US. Why should he have claimed "biracial" when all his life people had called him "black?" There was no good in calling himself "mixed-race."
There still is no voting constituency for "mixed race."
I clearly remember the barbershop conversation howls at Tiger Woods (born 1975) biracial claims when he was a beginning PGA tour pro
Why have we become so obsessed with labels nowadays especially in the US?
I remember, not too long ago, where in attempts to reconcile differences we all focused on the things that made us similar. Now, we focus on what makes us different. We want to be labeled different. We don't want to associate with the rest. There's hardly anymore Americans growing up. We're all hispanic, panamanian transgender, democratic, socialist, prochoice or we're white, german, males republican NRA members. (just fictitious examples) That in of itself is an issue, IMO. Whenever something comes up on the news; black male did this. White male did that.
Rant over.
I think the one drop rule is absurd. It is such an obvious remnant of pre-civil rights era US and I have no clue why people continue to even dignify it. Another poster did mention it was previously used against blacks and has now somehow been flipped and is some afrocentric concept. Back then, black blood was vile poisonous that it taints the whole lot. Now, it's great and powerful and overtakes the whole lot. If we use it today,why are we only focusing on african blood though? Why not asian, why not white? What does one drop of asian blood do? What does one drop of white blood do? Why doesn't one drop of asian blood taint a pure african lot? Why can't this concept just die already.
I have heard some other bizzare claims of what determines race. My wife is black, her brother obviously black, but his wife is white. I was told that the brother's wife was told by her doctor, in clear terms, that her children are black because the father is black. In essense, whatever the father is is what the children are. Nothing else matters. I don't know what kind of quack he was but I see nothing medical about that opinion. Or perhaps it's just some kind of mental gymnastics they came up with to determine their identity
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