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Of course they didn't win......because there is no paradise of gardens and grapes with 72 virgins and domes of ruby and pearl waiting for evil cowards like them.
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If that's how you define "victory"...... My whole premise here is that the terrorists don't have to militarily defeat the US or get into heaven to "win". My premise is that if a ragtag band of terrorists can cause Americans to totally change the way we live, fight wars we wouldn't otherwise have fought, incur billions of dollars in expenditures, lose thousands of lives, create new government agencies, and in the end not even know whether or not we killed Bin Laden than the terrorists have won. At the very least, we ought to take look at some of the things we've done since 9/11 and ask if our actions have really been very bright. I think not.
. . . which is why there is a credible conspiracy theory that we engineered the "excuse" ourselves.
I've yet to hear the credible theory. It may be that there is, and if it was presented with logic and without the embellishment of easily-disproven add-ons or a TV-plot framework it might get more attention.
I've yet to hear the credible theory. It may be that there is, and if it was presented with logic and without the embellishment of easily-disproven add-ons or a TV-plot framework it might get more attention.
Just because you do not believe something, or it does not get "attention", does not make it not credible.
Credibility is inherent in an idea, and is not dependent on your personal belief nor the publicized currency of the idea. Credibility lies at the beginning, not the end of the scientific method.
Just because you do not believe something, or it does not get "attention", does not make it not credible.
Credibility is inherent in an idea, and is not dependent on your personal belief nor the publicized currency of the idea. Credibility lies at the beginning, not the end of the scientific method.
Why are you assigning that concept to what I said? Odd.
It's not a matter of "belief" or publicized information. Ideas are great, but if the evidence does not bear them out, or if the ideas are presented within a false framework, they are of little use. Further, if such ideas are buried within false information or presented within a false framework, their credibility might be real, but it can get lost.
Why are you assigning that concept to what I said? Odd.
It's not a matter of "belief" or publicized information. Ideas are great, but if the evidence does not bear them out, or if the ideas are presented within a false framework, they are of little use. Further, if such ideas are buried within false information or presented within a false framework, their credibility might be real, but it can get lost.
Because YOU defined credibility according to your own faith and belief system. Because YOU said the framework is false. As though you were in a position to judge its falsity. You have not seen much of the evidence, and have no special competence to judge what you have seen.
Why might it get more attention if presented with more logic, if it is not credible? (Your words)
Because YOU defined credibility according to your own faith and belief system. Because YOU said the framework is false. As though you were in a position to judge its falsity. You have not seen much of the evidence, and have no special competence to judge what you have seen.
Why might it get more attention if presented with more logic, if it is not credible? (Your words)
cred⋅i⋅ble
–adjective
1. capable of being believed
Example: If the framework is that the government is not only capable but likely to have perpetuated a false flag operation on 9/11, that might be considered credible. Further investigation is necessary to determine if this is true.
If part of the evidence for that framework consists of a story that a hijacker's passport found on a downtown street could not possibly have survived the impact and explosion because the aircraft in question completely disintegrated or vaporized upon impact, I AM in a position to judge its falsity, because I know that the aircraft did not completely disintegrate or vaporize upon impact. See? Same for other commonly-used false statements, such as "Larry Silverstein made a fortune off the attacks" or "Marvin Bush was head of security at the WTC". They are false statements and I know they are and not just because I said so.
To back up the first statement by concocting false proof automatically puts the veracity of the first statement in doubt, fairly or unfairly. To get the framework accepted, stick to the facts.
Youve reversed the suppositions. Originaly, the thread went like this:
Originally Posted by GregW The terrorists were the excuse not the reason for the excesses. .
Reply by jtur88 . . . which is why there is a credible conspiracy theory that we engineered the "excuse" ourselves.
It is the presumption that the Bush administration had some foreknowledge of the attack, that led to the credibility of the conspiracy, not the other way around. Bush made it credible.
The theory doesn't lead to the culprit---the culprit leads to the theory.
They haven't won because I can still smile, listen to music have internet, my wife can still work and drive ,vote, not have to wear a burka, so no they haven't won.
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