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Old 10-27-2015, 12:31 PM
 
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Which makes it a remarkably regressive redistribution for liberals to promote.
Nonsense. It doesn't redistribute wealth and it certainly is not regressive. It prices the right to pollute. The poor end up being most affected by pollution.
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Old 10-27-2015, 03:58 PM
 
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Nonsense. It doesn't redistribute wealth and it certainly is not regressive. It prices the right to pollute. The poor end up being most affected by pollution.

Don't the poor end up being most affected by necessarily skyrocketed energy prices? And isn't that regressive?
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Old 10-28-2015, 06:18 AM
 
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Don't the poor end up being most affected by necessarily skyrocketed energy prices? And isn't that regressive?
You have made an assumption which indicates a gross ignorance of how prices are set in the marketplace.

Perhaps if you are going to espouse "free markets" you should consider taking some economic classes.
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Old 10-28-2015, 01:48 PM
 
Location: NJ
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That assumes that those taxes would go to help renewable energy development.

Since it is a tax and that tax is collected by the government, what are the chances it would help at all?

When a business is taxed, say an oil company, it doesn't pay the tax, customers do. Same with fines, the business always recovers the fine monies from customers.
500 millon dollars went to solyndra, was that a good investment of taxpayer money.

Solyndra was a manufacturer not a research org.

Solyndra was the tip of the iceberg that sunk so much taxpayer funds.

The carbon tax seems more of a money laundering scheme under the current administration.
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Old 10-28-2015, 02:10 PM
 
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500 millon dollars went to solyndra, was that a good investment of taxpayer money.

Solyndra was a manufacturer not a research org.

Solyndra was the tip of the iceberg that sunk so much taxpayer funds.

The carbon tax seems more of a money laundering scheme under the current administration.
Actually DOE's investment program was a resounding success.
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Old 10-28-2015, 07:43 PM
 
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Which makes it a remarkably regressive redistribution for liberals to promote.

ummmm. Actually it is kind of goofy to even think it is a "Liberal (v. Conservative?)" Thing.

Where is your major New Source(s)? Rush Limbaugh or Fox or something? Real question, there.

No one in Real Business thinks along these goofy concepts. The whole Liberal v. Conservative routine is for the uneducated bottom masses to have rally points and be manipulated due to lack of Critical Thinking Skills. About like Professional Wrestling -- or the Blue Power Ranger v. the Red Power Ranger.

The Cap and Trade concept was about trying to use money and markets to guide US away from Torching the Atmosphere.

Much more Neo-Liberal or Neo-Conservative (which are neither Liberal nor Conservative -- but more Corporate).

Real practice -- whether viewed as Liberal or Conservative -- would have been simpler . . . . just cease to issue / re-new the Government Issued Licenses to Pollute -- and Coal, Oil, and even Nukes would have died on the vine. To everyone's long-term benefit.
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Old 10-28-2015, 07:57 PM
 
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500 millon dollars went to solyndra, was that a good investment of taxpayer money.

Solyndra was a manufacturer not a research org.

Solyndra was the tip of the iceberg that sunk so much taxpayer funds.

The carbon tax seems more of a money laundering scheme under the current administration.

Really Solyndra was mostly just goofy.

About like Ronnie Raygun's Star Wars.

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You follow why RR Star Wars was popular with some, especially the Rs? It put two things they like -- at least in concept -- together.

1. War, War, and more War

AND

2. "High Tech!" (High Tech in this case is best spoken with a Texas Twang and big dumb smile by someone without a clue).

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Now to Solyndra.

1. The Dems like renewables -- which is good considering we have LOTS of Wind, Sun and Water in the US

2. Basic renewables are Dirt Simple and kind of Boring. Sun, Wind, Earth, and Water. (sounds like my kids' Air Bender Avatar Show or something).

3. The Dems ALSO like "High Tech!" (again with the Clueless Twangs and Smiles).

So. They put Renewable and "High Tech!" together and did Solyndra.

Meanwhile China put Renewable + Dirt Simple + and Cheap together and kicked our ass in the Solar and Wind departments.

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Summary -- Star Wars wasted Billions, Solyndra wasted Millions.

Based on that math, it seems at least the Dems are about 1000 X less dumb when it comes to wasting money, compared to the Rs.

But since neither have a Clue about Bling-Bling "High-Tech" . . . . they are really both kind of dumb.
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Old 10-29-2015, 02:21 PM
 
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You have made an assumption which indicates a gross ignorance of how prices are set in the marketplace.

Perhaps if you are going to espouse "free markets" you should consider taking some economic classes.

I know enough to understand that when electricity costs are by design necessarily skyrocketed by government regulation, the price goes up.
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Old 10-29-2015, 06:17 PM
 
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I know enough to understand that when electricity costs are by design necessarily skyrocketed by government regulation, the price goes up.
That is what the Utility MBAs thought they "knew" as well.

And were licking their chops waiting for it to happen. Remember, they make their money as a Percentage of Gross Prices and Revenue. They care not about costs.

BUT, what really happened was Electricity when Surplus and the Prices Collapsed -- without regard to their Expenses.

Such is the Market.

Same lesson the Oil and Gas Frackers are (not really) learning.
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Old 10-30-2015, 07:20 AM
 
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I know enough to understand that when electricity costs are by design necessarily skyrocketed by government regulation, the price goes up.
Since that isn't true, your entire premise is down the toilet.
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