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Promise of certain things if an investment is made into the Greensboro-Winston-Salem airport from back in the day that just never seemed to materialize. Forsyth County and Winston-Salem were once equal partners in this venture and it was supposed to be seen as a joint venture, but then we started noticing things like airport abbreviation becoming GSO and being called Greensboro Airport - stuff like that. We were investing $$$ and being left out of the limelight. They even came back begging us for more $$$ not long ago and I believe that one was rejected. There will by no more joint efforts toward that airport...I think the next step is to begin commercial flights from Smith Reynolds Airport in Forsyth County and forget about that one on the Guilford/Forsyth border to the east.
There is a whole contentious history of deals between W-S and GSO over the airport, and W-S didn't get the good end of any deal...so I think it's pretty much over between us but for some reason they still have the nerve to inquire.
LOL, "we", "they"...good grief. Way too much misinformation to unpack in that post. All I can say is that its that kind of petty, small minded attitude that allowed Charlotte and the Triangle to zoom past the Triad. Too bad for all.
Bottom line, is that mayor Allen Joines has made it clear that unless their is an advantage in tax revenue for Winston-Salem and Forsyth County, there will be no incentive to make contributions to projects in the borough, and Guilford County. That's not petty nor small-minded, it's smart.
This kind of thing has happened more than once. When Greensboro sees a project would pad it's pride and pocketbook that could play well to its favour long term, it doesn't hesitate to come calling on Winston-Salem, High Point, and the rest of the "Triad" to put into the pot. Winston-Salem is smarter than that, has its own projects, and has learned its lessons from the "joint" efforts such as the so-called Triad Park, which has a Kernersville address and strattles the county lines, but really mostly in Guilford County.
On the issue of PTI and its service for commercial flights, most people I know don't use that airport anyway.... they drive to Charlotte and Raleigh/Durham. There is no advantage to use PTI because the majority of flights require comnections to a major hub. PTI's niche will be best utilized by dedicating its use for FEDEX, Haeco, and a launch for HondaJet.
This is good news for GSO diversify the airport to focus more on Cargo and Aviation construction.
What would set this airport which would need state and private contributions to make it more affordable but is more cost efficient as less future maintenance but creates lots of jobs is creating a Maglev(Magnetic Levitation) line from Greensboro Airport to Wilmington Airport. It would follow or above existing rail lines or interstate so little land acquisition).
Ship Cargo from the port.
This can be done by the time the new Panama canal is complete. (Of course, the port will need to be dredged to handle the larger ships.)
Piedmont particularly Alamance County is already having a balloon of new distribution centers this would help.
Also, add a passenger line with a stop at RDU to ILM for those wanting to go to the coast.
After this is up and running go in other direction to Asheville, making GSO the spoke or back to it roots known as the Gate City from old days of mail & stage coaches to Maglev.
At around 300 mph cargo and passengers would be at their destination in no time.
People would want to fly or drive to Greensboro just to ride the Maglev I'll dub it the Carolina Express painted in light blue with each segment with having the state symbols and one with corporate sponsorship.
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Bottom line, is that mayor Allen Joines has made it clear that unless their is an advantage in tax revenue for Winston-Salem and Forsyth County, there will be no incentive to make contributions to projects in the borough, and Guilford County. That's not petty nor small-minded, it's smart.
This kind of thing has happened more than once. When Greensboro sees a project would pad it's pride and pocketbook that could play well to its favour long term, it doesn't hesitate to come calling on Winston-Salem, High Point, and the rest of the "Triad" to put into the pot. Winston-Salem is smarter than that, has its own projects, and has learned its lessons from the "joint" efforts such as the so-called Triad Park, which has a Kernersville address and strattles the county lines, but really mostly in Guilford County.
On the issue of PTI and its service for commercial flights, most people I know don't use that airport anyway.... they drive to Charlotte and Raleigh/Durham. There is no advantage to use PTI because the majority of flights require comnections to a major hub. PTI's niche will be best utilized by dedicating its use for FEDEX, Haeco, and a launch for HondaJet.
I have no problem with W-S not providing an incentive for a project that offers them no ability to recoup that incentive payment via property taxes, but I got zero sense that's what the poster was referring to (which I why I specifically asked if he was referring to incentives).
I have to confess that I don't get the animosity between the cities. Its just silly. And its cost the Triad immensely.
This is good news for GSO diversify the airport to focus more on Cargo and Aviation construction.
What would set this airport which would need state and private contributions to make it more affordable but is more cost efficient as less future maintenance but creates lots of jobs is creating a Maglev(Magnetic Levitation) line from Greensboro Airport to Wilmington Airport. It would follow or above existing rail lines or interstate so little land acquisition).
Ship Cargo from the port.
This can be done by the time the new Panama canal is complete. (Of course, the port will need to be dredged to handle the larger ships.)
Piedmont particularly Alamance County is already having a balloon of new distribution centers this would help.
Also, add a passenger line with a stop at RDU to ILM for those wanting to go to the coast.
After this is up and running go in other direction to Asheville, making GSO the spoke or back to it roots known as the Gate City from old days of mail & stage coaches to Maglev.
At around 300 mph cargo and passengers would be at their destination in no time.
People would want to fly or drive to Greensboro just to ride the Maglev I'll dub it the Carolina Express painted in light blue with each segment with having the state symbols and one with corporate sponsorship.
This is good news for GSO diversify the airport to focus more on Cargo and Aviation construction.
What would set this airport which would need state and private contributions to make it more affordable but is more cost efficient as less future maintenance but creates lots of jobs is creating a Maglev(Magnetic Levitation) line from Greensboro Airport to Wilmington Airport. It would follow or above existing rail lines or interstate so little land acquisition).
Ship Cargo from the port.
This can be done by the time the new Panama canal is complete. (Of course, the port will need to be dredged to handle the larger ships.)
Piedmont particularly Alamance County is already having a balloon of new distribution centers this would help.
Also, add a passenger line with a stop at RDU to ILM for those wanting to go to the coast.
After this is up and running go in other direction to Asheville, making GSO the spoke or back to it roots known as the Gate City from old days of mail & stage coaches to Maglev.
At around 300 mph cargo and passengers would be at their destination in no time.
People would want to fly or drive to Greensboro just to ride the Maglev I'll dub it the Carolina Express painted in light blue with each segment with having the state symbols and one with corporate sponsorship.
Great vision. I hope it comes about for the area and my Grand Kids. It will come down to politicians having the same progressive ideas.
Bottom line, is that mayor Allen Joines has made it clear that unless their is an advantage in tax revenue for Winston-Salem and Forsyth County, there will be no incentive to make contributions to projects in the borough, and Guilford County. That's not petty nor small-minded, it's smart.
This kind of thing has happened more than once. When Greensboro sees a project would pad it's pride and pocketbook that could play well to its favour long term, it doesn't hesitate to come calling on Winston-Salem, High Point, and the rest of the "Triad" to put into the pot. Winston-Salem is smarter than that, has its own projects, and has learned its lessons from the "joint" efforts such as the so-called Triad Park, which has a Kernersville address and strattles the county lines, but really mostly in Guilford County.
On the issue of PTI and its service for commercial flights, most people I know don't use that airport anyway.... they drive to Charlotte and Raleigh/Durham. There is no advantage to use PTI because the majority of flights require comnections to a major hub. PTI's niche will be best utilized by dedicating its use for FEDEX, Haeco, and a launch for HondaJet.
Delta uses Atlanta connections no matter the airport.
I, for one, use PTI quite a bit. Only reason why I didn't use it on my last plane ride was, simply, it was cheaper flying out of Raleigh. However I did choose a flight that had connections in Atlanta, where as the rides out of PTI were direct flights. Other than that, I would always choose PTI, simply because it's a lot more convenient than having to drive down to Charlotte or Raleigh.
Bottom line, is that mayor Allen Joines has made it clear that unless their is an advantage in tax revenue for Winston-Salem and Forsyth County, there will be no incentive to make contributions to projects in the borough, and Guilford County. That's not petty nor small-minded, it's smart.
This kind of thing has happened more than once. When Greensboro sees a project would pad it's pride and pocketbook that could play well to its favour long term, it doesn't hesitate to come calling on Winston-Salem, High Point, and the rest of the "Triad" to put into the pot. Winston-Salem is smarter than that, has its own projects, and has learned its lessons from the "joint" efforts such as the so-called Triad Park, which has a Kernersville address and strattles the county lines, but really mostly in Guilford County.
On the issue of PTI and its service for commercial flights, most people I know don't use that airport anyway.... they drive to Charlotte and Raleigh/Durham. There is no advantage to use PTI because the majority of flights require comnections to a major hub. PTI's niche will be best utilized by dedicating its use for FEDEX, Haeco, and a launch for HondaJet.
We just moved to the area and my husband travels for work. The airport is a 30 min drive and it took him 3 minutes to get through security. (He was a fan). There are no direct flights (anywhere near here) to where he is going anyway so connecting through a hub is not a big deal. It reminds us of the Savannah Airport which also did not have lines and was very pleasant to use. Just another perspective from those of us that like smaller airports.
LOL, "we", "they"...good grief. Way too much misinformation to unpack in that post. All I can say is that its that kind of petty, small minded attitude that allowed Charlotte and the Triangle to zoom past the Triad. Too bad for all.
Not petty or small-minded...just too smart to keep falling for the same package of excrement. It's a well-documented situation in the Triad that Winston-Salem got shafted in the airport deal, and it won't be happening again anytime soon. As I understand it W-S is concentrating on gaining more passenger operations out of Smith-Reynolds and increasing its usage in the area. What is petty and small minded is anyone thinking that PTI could squeeze anymore $$$ out of W-S!
You can call it whatever you want, but apparently you don't know enough about the past or present dealings with PTI and Winston-Salem to speak about it. I zoom right to Charlotte Douglas when I fly anyway...it's about 15 minutes further with direct flights to everywhere I need to go.
I have no problem with W-S not providing an incentive for a project that offers them no ability to recoup that incentive payment via property taxes, but I got zero sense that's what the poster was referring to (which I why I specifically asked if he was referring to incentives).
I have to confess that I don't get the animosity between the cities. Its just silly. And its cost the Triad immensely.
Then you should look into the past dealings between the two cities if you want to understand it rather than disparaging people for knowing more about it than you do. And that was exactly what "the poster" was talking about - incentives from Winston-Salem to PTI.
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