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Old 08-11-2017, 06:34 AM
 
Location: So Ca
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It should be about affordable healthcare.
If we thought it was bad now....

Trump's moves are causing health insurance premiums to jump, study says - LA Times

 
Old 08-11-2017, 07:22 AM
 
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They are blaming Trump in the headline, but the article states this is the core problem, which we anticipated:

"Insurers are struggling with sicker-than-expected customers and disappointingly low enrollment"

This whole uncertainty happened during Obama's administration as well. When I was working for a large corporation, we had monthly updates saying they didn't know what changes would be made in our health insurance costs because of unclear governmental policies.

How do we get people healthier? We need to reverse this ever growing, unaffordable expense.
 
Old 08-11-2017, 09:13 AM
 
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Cadillac tax wasn't implemented so no employer provided health insurance recipients were forced to go into the individual pool. The CBO estimate for enrollment in individual plans is off by 50%.

All of the ACA could have been simply replaced by a sliding scale Medicaid program period. No insurer bailouts, no huge contracts to IT companies. Health care could have been given instead of handouts to private companies who write policies with such high deductibles that they are essentially worthless.

We need to spread the risk over far more people than what is currently being done.
 
Old 08-11-2017, 05:31 PM
 
Location: So Ca
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We need to spread the risk over far more people than what is currently being done.
Exactly.
 
Old 08-14-2017, 08:05 PM
 
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We need to spread the risk over far more people than what is currently being done.
"Want universal healthcare for all Americans? Medicare for all is the solution."

Forget about single-payer healthcare. This California congressman has the real solution: Medicare for all - LA Times
 
Old 08-14-2017, 08:30 PM
 
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"Want universal healthcare for all Americans? Medicare for all is the solution."

Forget about single-payer healthcare. This California congressman has the real solution: Medicare for all - LA Times
Do you think there is the political will to do it? I don't think Democratic voters would support it, particularly the unions. They get a much better deal now. Don't see Republicans will favor it either.

One thing IMO to get Medicare for all would have been if the Republican bills passed: it would have caused so much pain across the board that it would have mobilized people. Next hope is Trump eliminates employer tax deduction to involve as many folks as possible in the true cost of healthcare to cause a groundswell of support for a national system.

Obamacare will contInue ad infinitum IMO because only 20 million people out of 300 million+ need it and 85% of them get a subsidy. Premiums will continue to rise in double digits percentages every year as will deductibles and out of pocket expenses making the policies more worthless every year.

I have lost any hope in anything improving via Federal intervention. Republican leaders spent 8 years trying to repeal Obamacare and had crappy alternatives and the Democrats for 8 years refused to admit that Obamacare had some problems that need to be fixed.
 
Old 08-15-2017, 07:36 AM
 
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Every article I've read says that Medicare for all would hurt the elderly, that they would have much longer wait times, if they get certain services at all.

I really thought that when W-2's started listing the value of health insurance premiums, that it was to eventually tax that value. That would definitely cause an uproar among the masses.

When the ACA was implemented, the rationale for all the preventative/screening services being required was that it would improve health. Has it? Or has it been just a larger expense? I don't know.
 
Old 08-18-2017, 08:36 AM
 
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"Want universal healthcare for all Americans? Medicare for all is the solution."
Let's see, we'd have a government-funded system where the organizations receiving the money also control the government through their lobbyists and cronies.

Yeah, what could possibly go wrong with that set up?
 
Old 08-18-2017, 05:01 PM
 
Location: So Ca
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Let's see, we'd have a government-funded system where the organizations receiving the money also control the government through their lobbyists and cronies.
Yeah, what could possibly go wrong with that set up?
For one, there would be no need for health insurance lobbyists "and cronies."

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/15/o...e.html?mcubz=0

Medicare for all

We Must Demand Medicare For All | HuffPost
 
Old 08-22-2017, 06:12 AM
 
Location: Bella Vista, Ark
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Don't take everything or maybe anything you read in NYT to seriously for heavens sake.
I will say, medicare for all or a better name is socialized medicine, let's not kid ourselves is not the way to go. And Obamacare hasn't really done much other than chase some good doctors out of medicine and into some other field or pushed them into an early retirement.
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