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You don't seem to know what circular reasoning is.
If modern medicine is keeping us alive past middle age, and if the modern diseases are actually the normal result of aging, then lifestyle shouldn't make much difference.
Yet SuzyQ and her friends say that doctors recommend a healthy lifestyle to their patients. But according to her, they will probably get the diseases regardless.
She doesn't make sense, she just argues and argues against whatever I say.
SuzyQ, and those here who agree with her, believe that heart disease, diabetes 2, dementia, cancer, etc., are the normal result of aging. They do NOT think these diseases are more common in modern societies.
Most of those are the result of genetics. They typically present at an age past the average age of death from two centuries ago. That does not mean they are "the normal result of aging." That is your interpretation of what is going on and has no basis in fact.
They are more common numerically now because there are more humans alive.
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Therefore, it logically follows, that changing your lifestyle would not do much good.
Doctors do tell patients to improve their lifestyles, something you adamantly refuse to admit. They would not tell them to do it if it would not be of benefit.
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If you believe we only live past age 40 or 50 because of modern medicine, and that we naturally come down with these diseases regardless of lifestyle, then why bother improving your lifestyle?
For many diseases, it is part genetics and part lifestyle. The genetics we are stuck with; the lifestyle can be improved, but patients have to do it.
More of us are living longer, and modern medicine has done it, not just with vaccines and antibiotics, either.
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There is not much logic in the above beliefs. Yet some of you insist they are true, in spite of not making sense.
What does not make sense is your absolute refusal to believe facts, based on your weird view about "the intelligence of nature".
You don't seem to know what circular reasoning is.
If modern medicine is keeping us alive past middle age, and if the modern diseases are actually the normal result of aging, then lifestyle shouldn't make much difference.
Yet SuzyQ and her friends say that doctors recommend a healthy lifestyle to their patients. But according to her, they will probably get the diseases regardless.
She doesn't make sense, she just argues and argues against whatever I say.
Suzy Q never said, "they will probably get the diseases regardless". Please link to any post where I said that.
Doctors would not recommend lifestyle changes if they did not think they would help. They do think they help and they do recommend them. Patients have to implement them. Many do not.
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SuzyQ, and those here who agree with her, believe that heart disease, diabetes 2, dementia, cancer, etc., are the normal result of aging. They do NOT think these diseases are more common in modern societies.
Therefore, it logically follows, that changing your lifestyle would not do much good.
If you believe we only live past age 40 or 50 because of modern medicine, and that we naturally come down with these diseases regardless of lifestyle, then why bother improving your lifestyle?
There is not much logic in the above beliefs. Yet some of you insist they are true, in spite of not making sense.
There is zero logic in this ridiculous post...
1. Heart disease, Type 2 Diabetes, cancer, dementia are absolutely more common as people age....that is not the same thing as saying they are "the normal result of aging"......please reference the EXACT posts where Suzy, myself or others made this claim...
If you are denying these diseases are NOT more common as we age please reference the studies showing 25 year olds with dementia.....maybe you could also compare and contrast the number of 30 year olds that suffer MI's compared to 60 year olds
2. Are these diseases more common in "modern societies"?? Well partly that would depend on YOUR definition of "non modern societies" which you seemingly change like underwear....
Are we talking "current day" agrarian societies or are we talking "ancient Greece"....apples and oranges
Lifespans of the Inuit tribes lag far behind their Canadian brethren..
Lifespans of Aboriginal peoples really lag behind Australians...
No doubt you can cherry pick a couple of isolated in bred (genetically favored) tribes that can "prove" your point.
3. The jump you make stating that "if one believes that chronic diseases are related to aging then one must believe changing ones lifestyle would do no good" logically follows???
I don't think you understand the concept of "logic"
Nothing you stated in your first paragraph would make anyone with an IQ over 70 believe your next sentence "logically follows"
Who ever said lifestyle changes won't help??? Lifestyle changes are the cornerstone of treatment for many conditions particularly heart disease and diabetes...
What you seemingly cannot understand AT ALL is that people, for the most part, are often unwilling to make necessary changes. You have this unrealistic expectation that if people just KNEW what they SHOULD do they would DO IT....like magic....as if the information isn't already known...apparently this is "secret knowledge" that only YOU possess
Good luck with that, why don't you have a go at it. Become a nurse, a doctor, a PA, a dietitian....and go change the world I have no doubt all those people out there who ignore everyone else's advice will hang on your every word.
According to you though I guess we should just let these people die, no sense in using medications if people aren't willing to eat better, exercise, stop smoking....just....let...them.....die
THAT is what logically follows from your arguments
We get powerful and insistent messages from the drug industry. They influence the government and the FDA, and the popular news outlets. These messages overshadow the simple truths about the importance of lifestyle.
Research funded by drug companies cannot be trusted. No, I don't recommend going off the deep end into conspiracy theory land. But at least do some searching for other points of view. You will be appalled at some of what is going on.
We get powerful and insistent messages from the drug industry. They influence the government and the FDA, and the popular news outlets. These messages overshadow the simple truths about the importance of lifestyle.
Research funded by drug companies cannot be trusted. No, I don't recommend going off the deep end into conspiracy theory land. But at least do some searching for other points of view. You will be appalled at some of what is going on.
In other news, water is wet.
Its pretty obvious that the drug industry wants us to buy there drugs by all the commercials they have.
In other news, water is wet.
Its pretty obvious that the drug industry wants us to buy there drugs by all the commercials they have.
It may be obvious to you, but it isn't obvious to everyone. The drug industry messages need to be balanced by sensible ideas about prevention and lifestyle.
A natural approach to health is most definitely not what everyone believes. No, we can't prevent all disease and live forever by trying to live a little more naturally. But we can prevent a lot of the awful diseases people are getting now. If we stop thinking these diseases inevitably result from age, or are genetically determined.
Yes, we get more diseases as we get older. Of course. But that's because we have been exposed to the modern lifestyle for longer! There is plenty of evidence showing that these diseases are rare in more traditional societies. No, NOT because they all die young. I am NOT talking about poverty-stricken societies where they die young because of bad conditions and malnutrition.
Most of the time, drugs are not the answer. They do not usually address the problem or correct the causes of disease. The healthy happy actors on the drug ads did not get that way because of drugs.
It may be obvious to you, but it isn't obvious to everyone. The drug industry messages need to be balanced by sensible ideas about prevention and lifestyle.
A natural approach to health is most definitely not what everyone believes. No, we can't prevent all disease and live forever by trying to live a little more naturally. But we can prevent a lot of the awful diseases people are getting now. If we stop thinking these diseases inevitably result from age, or are genetically determined.
Yes, we get more diseases as we get older. Of course. But that's because we have been exposed to the modern lifestyle for longer! There is plenty of evidence showing that these diseases are rare in more traditional societies. No, NOT because they all die young. I am NOT talking about poverty-stricken societies where they die young because of bad conditions and malnutrition.
Most of the time, drugs are not the answer. They do not usually address the problem or correct the causes of disease. The healthy happy actors on the drug ads did not get that way because of drugs.
You insist on flogging a dead horse. It has been explained to you over and over and over again, and yet you persist.
People KNOW how to live a healthy lifestyle. It is as obvious as breathing air. People CHOOSEnot to change their lifestyle in order to prevent maladies and diseases. You are not the gatekeeper of this information.
The irony of your postings is being lost on you. You want people to listen to what you have to say. We have and yet you ignore us. Sound familiar?
It may be obvious to you, but it isn't obvious to everyone. The drug industry messages need to be balanced by sensible ideas about prevention and lifestyle.
A natural approach to health is most definitely not what everyone believes. No, we can't prevent all disease and live forever by trying to live a little more naturally. But we can prevent a lot of the awful diseases people are getting now. If we stop thinking these diseases inevitably result from age, or are genetically determined.
Yes, we get more diseases as we get older. Of course. But that's because we have been exposed to the modern lifestyle for longer! There is plenty of evidence showing that these diseases are rare in more traditional societies. No, NOT because they all die young. I am NOT talking about poverty-stricken societies where they die young because of bad conditions and malnutrition.
Most of the time, drugs are not the answer. They do not usually address the problem or correct the causes of disease. The healthy happy actors on the drug ads did not get that way because of drugs.
It's because we're all so stooooopid...please help us to understand! ...are the people on tv really all actors and they are just acting?
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