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Old 08-26-2019, 04:29 PM
 
Location: Southern California
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They are NOT doing enough in the hormone department to keep our aging population more vital and with less diseases as we age. When younger we are vital with our birth hormones and as we age, they go too, actually this why we age, we lose so much. There is help in this area and I don't find docs going there. Unless one is seeing an integrative MD as I have been seeing for a couple decades and the one I started with offered me injections at 60 and I declined and now at 81 I'm doing another form, not injections.

Just thinking that MD 20 yrs ago knew something and he was attempting to help me with my aging.

A friend came to see me yesterday and was telling me about her 60 yr old cousin in tip top health, and never a sign of health issues, always doing a lot of aggressive exercise, maybe too much, but anyway he dropped dead the other day and the doctors who are investigating his death are mentioning Lipids and so I went to work on Heart Health and Lipids and loss of major hormone and found so much. Too bad doctor wasn't up on things, I'm thinking.

Some of the searches I've been working on are Heart, Arthritis, MS, ALS, Parkinsons, Depression, MF/CFS, Diabetes etc

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Old 08-27-2019, 05:04 AM
 
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They are NOT doing enough in the hormone department to keep our aging population more vital and with less diseases as we age. When younger we are vital with our birth hormones and as we age, they go too, actually this why we age, we lose so much. There is help in this area and I don't find docs going there. Unless one is seeing an integrative MD as I have been seeing for a couple decades and the one I started with offered me injections at 60 and I declined and now at 81 I'm doing another form, not injections.

Just thinking that MD 20 yrs ago knew something and he was attempting to help me with my aging.

A friend came to see me yesterday and was telling me about her 60 yr old cousin in tip top health, and never a sign of health issues, always doing a lot of aggressive exercise, maybe too much, but anyway he dropped dead the other day and the doctors who are investigating his death are mentioning Lipids and so I went to work on Heart Health and Lipids and loss of major hormone and found so much. Too bad doctor wasn't up on things, I'm thinking.

Some of the searches I've been working on are Heart, Arthritis, MS, ALS, Parkinsons, Depression, MF/CFS, Diabetes etc
Googling a bunch of nonsense sites doesn't make you more "up on things" than a trained physician who by the way is constantly doing Continuing Medical Education...

HGH isn't the "miracle cure" you think it is and you aren't actually taking HGH since it is only available as an injection....any other form of "HGH" isn't real and isn't bioavailable

They are risks to taking HGH unless one is actually deficient and no evidence that is of any benefit for an otherwise healthy individual

https://www.mayoclinic.org/healthy-l...e/art-20045735
 
Old 08-27-2019, 07:21 AM
 
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It is like medical care has become shallow and unduly sensitive at the same time. First due no harm has gone out the window. If I present to my doctor with a problem at all, she seems obsessed with going down some list that has been approved by some manager. This list is shallow and I could have gotten it off Web MD. it also typically does not make a ton of sense. Trying to fit my symptoms into the list rather than the other way around. If I have an issue that doesn't fit into that list.. I am on my own.

Assuming we agree on something we agree to the solution phase but the solution is almost always (1) a drug (usually expensive and dangerous); (2) an invasive and possibly dangerous test and or (3) some sort of surgery etc. And again, these things seem to come off a list. There is never any suggestion of a new technology to make things easier. Ever week I get an update to an app but medical procedures never get better or safer.

Before I leave the office I have a long boilerplate medical summary that frankly probably means nothing because the diagnosis is wrong in the first place. There is very little effort in actually finding out what is wrong with you and there is almost zero barrier to a dangerous and potentially life altering "solution".

Also, what is with the incompetence with regard to these offices. So often my doctors will give me a form that seems it came from 1935, the billing office cannot, ever actually get things right and the offices do not seem to care about you or anyone at all. Oh you will be in pain all weekend if I don't get this authorization in.... oh well, I leave at 4 PM. Bye! It has been my theory for a while that once you start working for a doctor or a vet you become heartless because you deal with it every day.

Ironically there still seems to be tons of people going to them and doing exactly what they say, no matter how obvious it is that medical care is making them worse. I cannot understand why. Until those people stop making excuses for them nothing will change.

Because they have the mind set of trusting and not questioning Dr's. I was that way, I thought they knew best. THEN on my own I started researching and questioning EVERYTHING about health and dr's and dentists. I had realized my health is my responsibility.

I have no trust for any professional that requires payment even if it doesn't work, OR the patient is not satisfied. If the patient is not satisfied there should be 100% refund.

The medical and pharmaceutical system is the most corrupt industry in the world.

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Old 08-27-2019, 07:26 AM
 
Location: New York Area
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^^^^^^^^^^
I wouldn't go that far but I just cancelled a scheduled operation for elbow bursitis based upon a second opinion and reviewing the matter with others.
 
Old 08-27-2019, 07:59 AM
 
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And???????????

There are always bad apples in any field.

We've all seen the lists. Tell us something useful and new.

I saw a list of a Dr here who was arrested because of a pill mill. I saw a story about Drs, pharmacists and nurses at Mt Carmel Hosp in Columbus who were allegedly ODing terminal patients to save them pain and agony. I saw an article about a Dr in Cincinnati who fled to Pakistan because he butchered patients at Cincinnati Children's and UC Hospital. Big deal, I can read a paper or watch the news.

For the overwhelming part, the medical profession is honest and wants to help patients. Some don't communicate well (if that's the case, seek out another doc) some do. Most are good, some are better and some are bad

Honest about what? I know a person who had anxiety because of work and past abuse. Dr prescribed an anti-depressant. Did they warn about what might happen and go over in fine detail the warnings on the label? It helped the anxiety a little but then they couldn't sleep, felt weird, and other side effects causing new anxiety.

Here's what happens when prescribed a med. The Dr hands a prescription to the 'patient' and THEN starts acting like the appointment is over. What they are doing is hoping there are no more questions. If a 'patient' starts asking questions at this point this can irritate the Dr. To the Dr the appointment is over. However, what is this med? What are the risks and side effects? How long has the Dr used this med with other patients? Should I read the warnings on the label? All these questions will irritate most Dr's. The pharmacist has most the answers anyway except there is NO pharmacist at the Dr's office! And shouldn't the Dr know everything about the med anyway? The med is the treatment the Dr suggests.

The treatment is medication but there are no meds at the Dr office, they are at Walmart! Ask the pharmacist there, please don't waste the Dr's time with silly questions!

I asked a Dr if I could see their treatment patient success rate. Of course not. Every patient a Dr treats, and the results, should be made public (in a anonymous way)
 
Old 08-27-2019, 08:03 AM
 
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^^^^^^^^^^
I wouldn't go that far but I just cancelled a scheduled operation for elbow bursitis based upon a second opinion and reviewing the matter with others.

So if you have two opposing opinions, who's right? More importantly, why should that even happen?
 
Old 08-27-2019, 08:28 AM
 
Location: A safe distance from San Francisco
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Because they have the mind set of trusting and not questioning Dr's. I was that way, I thought they knew best. THEN on my own I started researching and questioning EVERYTHING about dr's and dentists. I had realized my health is my responsibility.

I have no trust for any professional that requires payment even if it doesn't work, OR the patient is not satisfied. If the patient is not satisfied there there should be 100% refund.

The medical and pharmaceutical system is the most corrupt industry in the world.
Exactly what I've been saying for 50 years.

They are the largest employer in the US simply because there is so much money out there to be extorted through fear. Al Capone's mob accomplished their extortion and control using fear of machine guns. Today's Big Health Care does the same using fear of disease or medical calamity. Some of those disease threats fabricated for the sole purpose of expanding the extorted purse.

"Health care" - the country's largest employer. It shouldn't even be in the top ten. But it's the easiest big money there has ever been in the history of unscrupulous human beings.
 
Old 08-27-2019, 10:58 AM
 
Location: Southern California
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Because they have the mind set of trusting and not questioning Dr's. I was that way, I thought they knew best. THEN on my own I started researching and questioning EVERYTHING about health and dr's and dentists. I had realized my health is my responsibility.

I have no trust for any professional that requires payment even if it doesn't work, OR the patient is not satisfied. If the patient is not satisfied there should be 100% refund.

The medical and pharmaceutical system is the most corrupt industry in the world.
On this payment issue, I believe it was the Chinese I read about many yrs ago, they did not have to pay if they did not get healed by their healers. I don't if that's true now or if it was ever true.

James, sadly I have to agree with your comment on the corrupt industry, wish that were not the truth.


And on getting more opinions, my daughter has collapsed arches/tendons in both feet, don't ask, but one doc was ready to do a major surgery and this would have been major...the other two were not, one was pretty strong about NO for this big job. Now since she's been using a growth hormone gel for going on 10 months, the pain in her feet is GONE....she's living with the damage from the collapsed problems. Maybe it's true, there are no accidents.

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Old 08-27-2019, 11:19 AM
 
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Exactly what I've been saying for 50 years.

They are the largest employer in the US simply because there is so much money out there to be extorted through fear. Al Capone's mob accomplished their extortion and control using fear of machine guns. Today's Big Health Care does the same using fear of disease or medical calamity. Some of those disease threats fabricated for the sole purpose of expanding the extorted purse.

"Health care" - the country's largest employer. It shouldn't even be in the top ten. But it's the easiest big money there has ever been in the history of unscrupulous human beings.

Not only that but a drug can treat some condition maybe effectively but then cause something else in the body to go out. I had a friend say his blown kidneys were caused by a free med trial. He died.
 
Old 08-27-2019, 11:25 AM
 
Location: Southern California
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Not only that but a drug can treat some condition maybe effectively but then cause something else in the body to go out. I had a friend say his blown kidneys were caused by a free med trial. He died.
Oh I have a friend who was in clinical trials for Viagra and he ended up dead not long after. Connection? He may have had a heart issue.
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