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The stats are starting to be very clear, sickly people are mainly the ones suffering badly and dying from coronavirus.
But not the only ones. Do we just write off the "sickly" ones?
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Originally Posted by newtovenice
Stats please. 85% of people in the US who died had multiple comorbidities. 99% of deaths in Italy same thing.
Healthy people aren't falling down dead in the street.
Stop fear mongering. Use common sense. We'd all be DEAD ALREADY if what you are claiming is true.
Fifteen percent do not have multiple comorbidities, and many of the ones who did died years sooner than they might have without COVID-19.
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Originally Posted by newtovenice
Would be really good data to have wouldn't it.
Especially since the CDC has ordered that anyone who tests positive and dies to be counted as a coronavirus death. And guessing is also allowed. So test positive and get shot? You will be recorded as a coronavirus death. Did you cough before you died? Can't be the pack a day habit you had, must be coronavirus.
This pandemic will have the most corrupted and inaccurate data in the history of science. Completely worthless. No one knows what's going on now, and no one will be able to figure it out in the future.
Should “COVID-19” be reported on the death certificate only with a confirmed test? COVID-19 should be reported on the death certificate for all decedents where the disease caused or is assumed to have caused or contributed to death.
When will it be implemented? Immediately.
Will COVID-19 be the underlying cause?
The underlying cause depends upon what and where conditions are reported on the death certificate. However, the rules for coding and selection of the underlying cause of death are expected to result in COVID- 19 being the underlying cause more often than not.
See the sample death certificate above.
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Originally Posted by guidoLaMoto
This disease involves the same inconsistencies & inaccuracies of reporting as any other disease. The worst example is probably prostate cancer. It's listed as a cause of death on virtually every man over the age of 80 or 85, yet it kills almost nobody.
I find that hard to believe, since most who have it at that age never got diagnosed. Source?
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See my post above. Old people have trouble apparently fighting off CoV and are more likely to succumb to it, and many old people have HTN. The two are highly correlated mathematically, but probably have nothing to do with each other.
There is the question of whether ACE drugs used to treat HTN might be a factor.
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HTN is a risk factor for CAD, but treating it doesn't lower the risk of an MI. Taking aspirin to lower your fever doesn't cure your infection..... And soon and so forth. Risk factors are often over-rated.
It is very well documented that controlling HTN reduces risk of MI.
"'Physicians and patients should be reassured that, based on all the world's literature, sliced and diced in many ways, subjected to two separate and distinct types of meta-analyses, antihypertensive drugs do reduce the risk of the two most feared endpoints related to hypertension: heart disease and stroke,' said lead researcher Dr. William J. Elliott, a professor of preventive medicine, internal medicine and pharmacology at Rush Medical College in Chicago."
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Originally Posted by frankrj
This is inaccurate labeling cause of death.
keep the public in fear so you can control them and receive money too. I don't know.
Although, I am hearing more stories from friends and relatives abroad of doctors putting Covid-19 as cause of death when their relative died of a heart attack, failed kidneys, etc.
The virus does not kill by its mere presence, it does so by its effect on various organs. That includes not only the lungs but also the heart and kidneys.
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Originally Posted by newtovenice
Did you watch the video of Senator Scott Jensen, MD, posted above?
No? Watch it.
Interviewer: "Why would they want to inflate the number of deaths [in Minnesota]?"
Senator: "Fear is a great motivator."
Here's a link to the full video segment, which is called POV. Includes info on the CARES Act, and how hospitals that provide care will get millions of dollars ... more diagnosis and testing ... equals more and more money.
Segment ends with a plea for people to start questioning and thinking for themselves.
I know there are people right in this thread who are 100% against that. /shrug/
There will maybe be enough money to keep hospitals from failing, but there will not be enough to have them make big profits.
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Originally Posted by newtovenice
I disagree. I think if you are a healthy person with no comorbidities you'd be better off getting exposed. Your body can build its own immunity.
But, I think for myself. /shrug/
I do not EVER want to be guinea pig. Any drug that has been on the market <5 years? Is in Phase 4 of development. No thanks. As a healthy person? I'd rather take my chances with a mild disease from which I am highly, highly, highly likely to recover with zero ill effects than a chemical and biological concoction that has zero track record of safety or efficacy.
I haven't been brainwashed by the fear.
It is not all about you. You may do fine. The two to three people who catch it from you or someone they give it to might not do as well.
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Originally Posted by frankrj
Those are some great points. Too bad the crisis is becoming political.
I wanted to say that some extremely healthy guys are getting sick and they have no co-morbitidies:
1. South African 31-year old Olympic Gold Medal Swimming Champion - Van der Burgh
2. 28-year old healthy New Yorker Van Waterschoot, spent 10 days in hospital.
he says, "'just stay at home and don't be selfish".
3. Michael Yo - healthy comedian and workout friend of Joe Rogan
The first big outbreak in the U.S. was at a care facility in Washington. After about 23 residents had died, one of the people there (a doctor or director or some other person who would know*) said that during that time period they usually have about 6 or 7 deaths. So should covid-19 get the blame for all 23?
*Sorry, I'm going from memory, and I'm not going to look it up tonight.
Oh hey - you have to give INFORMED CONSENT to be part of a trial - you won't be a "guinea pig" (what a pejorative term that is!) unless you wanna be. Its not like a "carve out your kidneys and leave you in a tub of ice" kind of experience so don't worry so much.
Some folks just like to be oppositional/contrarian. They think of themselves as lone wolves who are so much smarter than everyone else....otherwise known as smug. Just keep whistlin' through the cemetery.
Those are some great points. Too bad the crisis is becoming political.
I wanted to say that some extremely healthy guys are getting sick and they have no co-morbitidies:
1. South African 31-year old Olympic Gold Medal Swimming Champion - Van der Burgh
2. 28-year old healthy New Yorker Van Waterschoot, spent 10 days in hospital.
he says, "'just stay at home and don't be selfish".
3. Michael Yo - healthy comedian and workout friend of Joe Rogan
Not sure what MV is... too many acronyms.
What percent of overall deaths are healthy people?
People die every day for no reason. Should every death be considered 100% preventable and every precaution be taken against every single possibly of death?
You'd have to leave the house in a hazmat suit, covered with armor, covered with insulation, protected by a bubble. Which was washed with sanitizer. Stay 100 feet away from all hazards and people. Stay away from all rivers and lakes, as you might drown, don't walk up stairs as you might fall, don't get in a car as you might crash, don't look at the sun as you might go blind ....
What percent of overall deaths are healthy people?
People die every day for no reason. Should every death be considered 100% preventable and every precaution be taken against every single possibly of death?
You'd have to leave the house in a hazmat suit, covered with armor, covered with insulation, protected by a bubble. Which was washed with sanitizer. Stay 100 feet away from all hazards and people. Stay away from all rivers and lakes, as you might drown, don't walk up stairs as you might fall, don't get in a car as you might crash, don't look at the sun as you might go blind ....
Should we all live like that?
It is hard to tell right now. This isn’t a virus that kills quickly. It kills slowly. So healthy people who get it now might not die for a few weeks. We did not have that many cases a few weeks ago. Death rates are going up even as some states are seeing fewer people getting infection. The sicker people are just the ones who die faster. We really need to wait to see how the larger group of people who have been infected do before we can draw any conclusions.
What percent of overall deaths are healthy people?
People die every day for no reason. Should every death be considered 100% preventable and every precaution be taken against every single possibly of death?
You'd have to leave the house in a hazmat suit, covered with armor, covered with insulation, protected by a bubble. Which was washed with sanitizer. Stay 100 feet away from all hazards and people. Stay away from all rivers and lakes, as you might drown, don't walk up stairs as you might fall, don't get in a car as you might crash, don't look at the sun as you might go blind ....
Should we all live like that?
Most people prefer not to die prematurely, so they use life jackets when boating, hold onto hand rails when they are on stairs, use seat belts in cars, and do not look directly at the sun.
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Originally Posted by RamenAddict
It is hard to tell right now. This isn’t a virus that kills quickly. It kills slowly. So healthy people who get it now might not die for a few weeks. We did not have that many cases a few weeks ago. Death rates are going up even as some states are seeing fewer people getting infection. The sicker people are just the ones who die faster. We really need to wait to see how the larger group of people who have been infected do before we can draw any conclusions.
Some people seem to think that we should have complete daily statistics on all aspects of COVID-19. They completely ignore the fact that the people compiling those numbers are the ones who are providing care to COVID-19 patients.
It is hard to tell right now. This isn’t a virus that kills quickly. It kills slowly. So healthy people who get it now might not die for a few weeks. We did not have that many cases a few weeks ago. Death rates are going up even as some states are seeing fewer people getting infection. The sicker people are just the ones who die faster. We really need to wait to see how the larger group of people who have been infected do before we can draw any conclusions.
How many healthy people in Italy have died from it?
phase IV clinical trial listen (fayz … KLIH-nih-kul TRY-ul)
A type of clinical trial that studies the side effects caused over time by a new treatment after it has been approved and is on the market. These trials look for side effects that were not seen in earlier trials and may also study how well a new treatment works over a long period of time. Phase IV clinical trials may include thousands of people. Also called phase 4 clinical trial and post-marketing surveillance trial.
Phase IV drugs are already on the market - YOU can argue the semantics. But I guess you've been the unknowing participant all this time of drugs that have been approved...oh my.
And yet, so many want to use quinine even though it's hardly been studied at all - interesting conundrum. Apparently clinical trials are anathema but snake oil "trials" are acceptable.
phase IV clinical trial listen (fayz … KLIH-nih-kul TRY-ul)
A type of clinical trial that studies the side effects caused over time by a new treatment after it has been approved and is on the market.These trials look for side effects that were not seen in earlier trials and may also study how well a new treatment works over a long period of time. Phase IV clinical trials may include thousands of people. Also called phase 4 clinical trial and post-marketing surveillance trial.
Phase IV drugs are already on the market.
Yes, I am quite aware of Phase 4.
Which part do you need clarification on?
The part where the American public is used to check for lack of efficacy and additional side effects while being told the drug is PERFECTLY SAFE and WORKS LIKE A CHARM?
No thanks.
People have no clue about ANY of this.
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