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Old 04-25-2020, 02:44 PM
 
Location: Juneau, AK + Puna, HI
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^Ditto.


But I am wondering what they can do for someone who comes in earlier than they otherwise would have because they found low O2 levels at home. I do want to know what my numbers are, but what can they do, for instance, to keep you off ventilation (since the current best guess is that 80% of patients on vents, in NYC anyway, die) if you come in earlier than those who showed up unable to breathe?


Simply put: Does it matter to know your level? Is there reason to hope for a better outcome?
You would be put on supplemental oxygen. Ventilator is last option.
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Old 04-25-2020, 02:47 PM
 
Location: Middle of the valley
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^Ditto.


But I am wondering what they can do for someone who comes in earlier than they otherwise would have because they found low O2 levels at home. I do want to know what my numbers are, but what can they do, for instance, to keep you off ventilation (since the current best guess is that 80% of patients on vents, in NYC anyway, die) if you come in earlier than those who showed up unable to breathe?


Simply put: Does it matter to know your level? Is there reason to hope for a better outcome?

I think your outcome is better than getting no treatment. Having 50% oxygen probably isn't healthy for you overall, and is an indication (I think) that you are deteriorating. So you go to the hospital (cause now you know what your saturation is), the give you oxygen, and probably some cocktail of meds. I would guess this increases your chances of a (more) positive outcome.
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Old 04-25-2020, 02:57 PM
 
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Okay, thanks. Still trying to digest it all.
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Old 04-25-2020, 03:22 PM
 
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To each their own, but why not have a better one for an extra $15 or so?
Keep in mind that you might not need it today for anything, but down the road you or someone important to you might.
Regardless, it is like buying a cheap home auto BP cuff.
You ask any MD and they will tell you that the cheap ones are a waste of money. They cost you more money because they cause people to make unnecessary MD and/or ER visits, because they can give wildly inaccurate readings to make people think something is seriously wrong.
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Like I said, my life doesn't depend on it. Its more for curiosity about certain things than need.
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Old 04-25-2020, 03:40 PM
 
Location: The Commonwealth of Virginia
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Simply put: Does it matter to know your level? Is there reason to hope for a better outcome?
I think the author was saying "yes" to that. If you watch your O2 level and notice that it starts to go down consistently (which you might not notice without the Pulse oximeter), and then get to the hospital BEFORE you are extremely ill, they could use supp. O2 and other supportive measures to help prevent you from getting to the point where you need to be put on a ventilator.

To be clear, I'm not a healthcare provider. That motoguido dude seems like he might be.

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Old 04-25-2020, 09:22 PM
 
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This 2nd link you posted is Philips website. If they sold direct there, that would be where you'd need to order to be ordering "direct from the manufacturer" as the first post said. That link is not to the manufacturers website even though Philips is in the name. Not really enamored with the site from your first link.
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Old 04-25-2020, 11:16 PM
 
Location: Northern Maine
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Almost all of those types of things are made in China, that doesn't mean it is going to ship to you directly from China.

My husband got a TENS machine from the VA and it was valued around $345 dollars, I got one off Amazon (China made) for under $20. Mine worked better.
the expensive ones are probably WIFI,
I had one for 6 months after major surgery, it uplinked my vital signs to the visiting nurse website, along with blood pressure, weight and temp. I had a medical laptop that made the uplink connect.

I had pneumonia twice last year, hospitalized once. They said post surgery is a vulnerable time.
So far we don't have any virus up here in N. Maine.
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Old 04-26-2020, 04:44 AM
 
Location: NJ
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Fairly local to me

Virtua Health: COVID-19 patients 'remarkable' after plasma treatment
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VOORHEES – Virtua Health has reported “remarkable” recoveries for the first New Jersey residents to receive plasma transfusions for the treatment of COVID-19.

Two patients at Virtua Voorhees Hospital “are steadily recuperating from critical cases of COVID-19 after receiving convalescent plasma transfusions in the first week of April,” the health system said in a statement Tuesday.

"In just over a week, both individuals were successfully taken off ventilators and later discharged from the intensive care unit to the general medical floor," said Dr. Lukasz Polisiakiewicz, a Virtua physician who led a team of specialists in the effort.
Two helped by COVID-19 plasma therapy released from hospital

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Two patients — a 61-year-old man and a 63-year-old woman — who received convalescent plasma treatment for COVID-19 earlier this month were released from Virtua Voorhees Hospital this week, the health system announced.
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Old 04-26-2020, 03:15 PM
 
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I think your outcome is better than getting no treatment. Having 50% oxygen probably isn't healthy for you overall, and is an indication (I think) that you are deteriorating. So you go to the hospital (cause now you know what your saturation is), the give you oxygen, and probably some cocktail of meds. I would guess this increases your chances of a (more) positive outcome.
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I think the author was saying "yes" to that. If you watch your O2 level and notice that it starts to go down consistently (which you might not notice without the Pulse oximeter), and then get to the hospital BEFORE you are extremely ill, they could use supp. O2 and other supportive measures to help prevent you from getting to the point where you need to be put on a ventilator.


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Indeed the ER MD made it clear that those with unknown lower O2 levels were doing damage (potentially irreversible during a COVID infection) that could be prevented with more rapid intervention.

As he stated many people might wait until they are sucking wind before going to the ER. By that time it might be too late.
So if you have one of the meters you can potentially ride it out (assuming no compromising factors) if your O2 levers remain stable.

Also don't forget that if you are in the hospital, you can refuse to be put on a ventilator in advance, and ask them to try and keep you alive as best as they can without one. But have it in writing and your family/attorney copied with it.
The reason is that you if you lose consciousness, they can put you on one under "implied consent", unless you have stipulated otherwise.

You can request the plasma anti-body treatment which is promising, and/or also request they give you the regiment of treatment with hydroxychloroquine and the antibiotic azithromycin(Z-Pac) along with doses of zinc. Those three things combined seem to be having greater results than just any one of them alone.
Remember MD's know more about this than you do, but ultimately you are in charge of your own care and an be involved in the type of treatment you will receive.



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Old 04-26-2020, 04:36 PM
 
Location: Living rent free in your head
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This 2nd link you posted is Philips website. If they sold direct there, that would be where you'd need to order to be ordering "direct from the manufacturer" as the first post said. That link is not to the manufacturers website even though Philips is in the name. Not really enamored with the site from your first link.
huh? One is Philips worldwide site, the other is Philips USA. But I promise you if I got ripped off I will be sure to let you know.
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