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Smallpox played a greater role than did violence. Amerindians had no resistance to smallpox. Europeans did not make a big imprint in Africa or Asia because the people of that common landmass had some resistance. Basically smallpox went like a knife through butter in the America, Australia and the Pacific Islands.
How does any of that apply to my post? To be clear, my post was in agreement with selecting Hawaii, not inherently with the reasons why the poster I quoted selected the state, which is why I added a detailed explanation that differed from that poster.
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How does any of that apply to my post? To be clear, my post was in agreement with selecting Hawaii, not inherently with the reasons why the poster I quoted selected the state, which is why I added a detailed explanation that differed from that poster.
I see your point and partially agree. I grow cross-eyed when I see vitriolic attacks on the overthrow of the Hawaiian emperor. I highly doubt she was particularly native-friendly. No one has told me much about whether she enjoyed a lifestyle far and away above that of the average islander.
Smallpox played a greater role than did violence. Amerindians had no resistance to smallpox. Europeans did not make a big imprint in Africa or Asia because the people of that common landmass had some resistance. Basically smallpox went like a knife through butter in the America, Australia and the Pacific Islands.
Right, so, because the tribes warred with each other, they deserved what they got from their uninvited guests?! Or what colonialism did to them doesn't matter, who cares? What's your point? (BTW, genocide is a crime against humanity in international law. War isn't, unless it's a genocidal war.)
Nobody's "guilting" anyone; we're discussing history. If you can't handle it, get help. And btw, don't forget, that supposedly colonialism was justifying itself by claiming to bring "civilization" to the "savages" (aka the "heathens"). How come anytime someone decides to "civilize" someone else, or bring them The Word Of God, their approach involves death, destruction, and the loss of their hapless "beneficiaries'" land base and self-governance?
I still think, the fact that Hawaii was the only state with a monarchy makes it pretty interesting. But maybe Sungrins was right; the overthrow was just another variation of the same old story.
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Popham (ca. 1550–1608) and Raleigh Gilbert (ca. 1583–1634) establish English settlement, Fort Saint George (the Popham Colony), at the mouth of the Kennebec River (Colony, now Phippsburg, abandoned 1608)
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Has to be Virginia. Take this state out of the US and soooo much history would be lost.
Virginia is home to the first permanent English speaking colony. The two wars that defined this country ended in Virginia. The Revolutionary war at Yorktown, and the Civil War at Appomattox Court House. Virginia has had many battles from these two wars take place in the state.
The primary architects of the Declaration of Independence (Thomas Jefferson), and US Constitution (James Madison), were Virginians.
More presidents have come from Virginia then any other state as well.
Lewis & Clark were Virginians that were sent to explore the west after the Louisiana Purchase made by Jefferson.
These are just some of the major items. Too many more to mention.
Right, so, because the tribes warred with each other, they deserved what they got from their uninvited guests?! Or what colonialism did to them doesn't matter, who cares? What's your point? (BTW, genocide is a crime against humanity in international law. War isn't, unless it's a genocidal war.)
My point was that the waging of war was hardly new and hardly a colonialist invention.
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Nobody's "guilting" anyone; we're discussing history. If you can't handle it, get help.
Why do you so often make a personal attack? I don't attack you. As far as "guilting" goes I'm not referring to CD; I'm referring to the shakedowns of successful countries and peoples at the U.N., COP26 and other pickpocket venues.
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And btw, don't forget, that supposedly colonialism was justifying itself by claiming to bring "civilization" to the "savages" (aka the "heathens"). How come anytime someone decides to "civilize" someone else, or bring them The Word Of God, their approach involves death, destruction, and the loss of their hapless "beneficiaries'" land base and self-governance?
Here we agree. I never was comfortable with the "missionary" justification for conquest or "white man's burden."
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I still think, the fact that Hawaii was the only state with a monarchy makes it pretty interesting. But maybe Sungrins was right; the overthrow was just another variation of the same old story.
That it does though in a way all 50 states have had monarchies. British in the case of the original 13 plus Northwest Territory over the mountains, Oregon, Idaho, Washington and probably some of Utah. Spanish and English in the case of Florida. French and Spanish in the case of the Louisiana Purchase areas, basically the whole Mississippi River basin west of the Mississippi. Spanish in the case of Texas, New Mexico, part of Colorado, part of Oklahoma (not sure about the rest of Oklahoma), Utah, Arizona and California. And last but not least, Alaska as part of Czarist Russia.
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CSA surrender in Appomattox
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To be clear, my post was in agreement with selecting Hawaii, not inherently with the reasons why the poster I quoted selected the state, which is why I added a detailed explanation that differed from that poster.
Or what colonialism did to them doesn't matter, who cares? What's your point? (BTW, genocide is a crime against humanity in international law. War isn't, unless it's a genocidal war.)
