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Old 04-27-2022, 04:44 AM
 
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They branded their empire under the benign name of the "Greater East Asia Co-Prosperity Sphere." If they had actually lived up to that name, and kicked out the white colonizers and peacefully led East Asia as a group of equals, they'd probably be the dominant power in that region to this day. But instead, after they kicked out the white colonizers, they oppressed the other countries so horribly that when their former colonizers returned, they were greeted as liberators. I'd put this under "Something that was good in theory but horrible in practice."
Nobody ever said great liberators become great administrators. They are two different skills. Revolution is not as pretty. as we expect reconstruction to be.
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Old 04-27-2022, 04:53 AM
 
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Nobody ever said great liberators become great administrators. They are two different skills. Revolution is not as pretty. as we expect reconstruction to be.
What are you even talking about? The Empire of Japan were not liberators nor revolutionist.
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Old 04-28-2022, 10:33 AM
 
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Also Ho Feng-Shan, a Chinese (not Japanese) diplomat that allowed many Jews to immigrate to Shanghai by issuing tens of thousand of visas for Jews living in Austria before Japan occupation.
Note these are good people that defied the authorities to save lives. Don't thank the WWII era Empire of Japan. They did NOTHING good for the world. But there were individuals in Japan (and Germany) that stood up to the horror that both the Japan and Germany leaders inflicted on the world.
I will tell you one good thing that they did; forced that traitor FDR to join the war.
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Old 04-29-2022, 12:05 PM
 
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The one good thing that the Japanese Empire did in WW2 was that they surrendered, negating the need for the US to mount an invasion of the home islands.
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Old 04-29-2022, 02:30 PM
 
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The one good thing that the Japanese Empire did in WW2 was that they surrendered, negating the need for the US to mount an invasion of the home islands.
Okinawa was bad enough.
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Old 04-30-2022, 06:10 AM
 
Location: Indianapolis Indiana
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I had a good friend who was mounting up for the invasion of Japan. He was Harry Truman's "number one fan" for dropping the bombs.
I've never seen anyone refer to FDR as a "traitor".
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Old 04-30-2022, 10:47 AM
 
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The traitor tag is I think the long standing revisionist history among some authors and others that Roosevelt wanted to go to war with Japan and let Pearl Harbor happen by deliberately withholding classified intelligence about an attack on Pearl Harbor.
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Old 04-30-2022, 02:54 PM
 
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I had a good friend who was mounting up for the invasion of Japan. He was Harry Truman's "number one fan" for dropping the bombs.
I've never seen anyone refer to FDR as a "traitor".
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The traitor tag is I think the long standing revisionist history among some authors and others that Roosevelt wanted to go to war with Japan and let Pearl Harbor happen by deliberately withholding classified intelligence about an attack on Pearl Harbor.
That is not my theory at all. FDR took his sweet time going to war while Stalin and Hitler were buddies. He had a fascination with appeasing Stalin; we are still paying for it in the way the UN was set up and the manner in winch decolonization proceeded. Basically he was dragged into the war kicking and screaming.
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Old 05-01-2022, 10:49 AM
 
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Well the main reason why Roosevelt didn’t go to war was a very real isolationist movement not to get involved in another European war. Nothing traitorous about it at all. Politicians always are sensitive to public opinion.
They go where the political winds blow. To call him a traitor is wildly inaccurate.
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Old 05-01-2022, 04:00 PM
 
Location: Indianapolis Indiana
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We've strayed from the original theme of this thread but I've always felt FDR and Churchill knew the attack was coming. I also believe that Yamamoto knew he had been sucked in when all three carriers just happened to be gone at the time of the attack.
It was the only way the American public would allow FDR to get into the war.
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