Can someone please tell me why Californians hate Texas, Houston? (Dallas: apartment, lease)
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Location: Austin, TX/Chicago, IL/Houston, TX/Washington, DC
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My replies:
@ G.I Joe: Well yeah I'm 20 years old and still a college student. What do you expect? That I go off living in my own house, possible have my own family, etc..? Last I checked a lot of 20 year olds when not living in their college area live with their parents when summer comes around. My parents aren't here with me in Chicago, but I'll be seeing them again in 2 days.
Outsourced Houston booster? Please... there's a difference between saying what's true and what's not, and I've supported what I've said with facts, you've just said things on your own without any back up to support your claims.
Tell me what looks worse, Houston "boosting" in the Houston forum or Houston "bashing" in the Houston forum? Last I checked this is the place to do the "boosting". And by the way, it's not boosting when it's true. Have you seen me make any claims I can't support? No.
@ Alphajet, looks like you know quite a bit about Desi's and how they live. But you haven't shown one article where your claims about "Fort Bend being conservatively bible thumping" is true. Please give me a link of recent Fort Bend (last 5 years) of that being the case. Also I looked at all your links, only one of them even affects the Houston Metropolitan Area, and that's the one where Montgomery County is listed as a conservative haven. Well duhhhh, my 14 year old middle school brother could have told you that. But that's the only one I see on the list, and also, I don't see how these interracial things in Delhi, India has to do with Houston whatsoever, so okay. Whatever, you want to talk about Delhi & it's tolerance on interracial couples, do it with someone else. None of the links you posted had anything to do with Houston, and I believe the topic was about Houston.
Have I lived in New York City, or anywhere in California? No, I have been to both plenty of times (California nearly every Thanksgiving Break for the past 4 years- and 3 weeks every summer for 4 years until this one) because I have family in both. San Jose, California, Los Angeles, California, New York City, New York. I am more familiar with California than New York City though.
I like the cities in California a lot, but I don't like the standard of living in the Bay Area. I have seen how stressed my cousin gets just trying to maintain a job with Adobe and pay two mortgages because he can't sell his old house in these times. The standard of living is terrible there, and yes, it really is for the average person. Los Angeles, the standard of living is way nicer for the average person and I will give you that much. Now back to New York City and segregation, okay Alphajet, you didn't prove anything- are people supposed to believe you on why Houston is segregated/integrated over the US Census- that has a team of non-biased staff who get paid to compile this information? Give it up, Houston is more integrated racially than New York City, and I have been to New York City to know that it seems accurate- unlike Los Angeles where different races actually mix with each other more often- the ones in New York City stay in their part of the town and only associate with one another.
As for the person that said I'm trying to make Houston out to be something it's not, well that isn't true. America's 4th largest city has every right to compare itself to the 2nd & 3rd largest cities- it doesn't mean it comes out or beats them in anything, but it's got the right to compare.
I never said Houston is on the same tier as America's 3 largest cities, which is why I will now commence with my post and show you exactly how important Houston is with FACTS.
Before I start, I give credit to Natures Message for this one piece of information on Private Sector Employment:
Private Sector Employment Growth- Gainer Cities:
1. Houston (202,900)
2. Washington, D.C. (197,000)
3. Phoenix (95,000)
4. Riverside-San Bernardino (83,600)
5. Las Vegas (76,800)
6. Austin (65,700)
7. San Antonio (62,800)
8. Orlando (60,900)
9. McAllen (48,400)
10. Raleigh (40,800)
Cities at a loss:
1. Detroit (-498,300)
2. Chicago (-365,400)
3. Los Angeles (-323,500)
4. San Francisco-Oakland (-250,500)
5. New York (-188,900)
6. San Jose (-188,500)
7. Cleveland (-139,700)
8. Boston (-119,600)
9. New Orleans (-83,400)
10. Atlanta (-77,500)
Children of Two or More Races:
Total Number: 95,462
White & Black or African American: 18,389
White & American Indian: 19,295
White & Asian: 12,808
Black or African American & American Indian: 3,318
City materials boast that 90 languages are spoken in Houston, and that aside from housing the expected third-largest Hispanic population in America, generations of Asians have also come here, spurring the development of not one but two Chinatowns.
Ranally City Ranking System/Studies:
1-AAAA (Unique rating): New York
1-AAA (Unique rating): Los Angeles & Chicago
1-AA (Major national business centers): Atlanta, Boston, Dallas, Detroit, Houston, Miami, Minneapolis, Philadelphia, San Francisco, and Washington DC
Mastercard's Ranking of Most Powerful Business Cities 2008:
New York
Chicago
Los Angeles
Philadelphia
Boston
Atlanta
San Francisco
Houston
Dallas
Washington DC
(in that same order)
US Cities Ranked on World City Networks Top 25:
1. New York
2. Chicago
3. Los Angeles
4. San Francisco
5. Miami (tie)
5. Atlanta (tie)
7. Washington
8. Boston (tie)
8. Houston (tie)
8. Dallas (tie)
11. Seattle
12. Denver
13. Philadelphia (tie)
13. Minneapolis (tie)
15. St. Louis
16. Detroit
17. San Diego
18. Portland
19. Charlotte (tie)
19. Cleveland (tie)
21. Indianapolis (tie)
21. Kansas City (tie)
22. Pittsburgh
23. Baltimore
24. Phoenix
Best Cities for Young Professionals:
1. Houston
2. Washington DC
3. Minneapolis
4. New York City
5. Boston
6. Dallas
7. Seattle
8. Denver
9. Atlanta
10. Austin
Houston's port right now currently is the 2nd busiest port in the country after New Orleans and it's 2nd busiest for total tonnage, and 1st for total foreign tonnage.
Houston's airport is currently America's fastest growing airport. And in November it will be one of the only 4 cities in the world with direct flights to every inhabited continent in the world. Also Houston's 2nd airport is the most user friendly airport in America in 2007 and in 2009 it's 2nd most user friendly.
Best Cities to Live, Work, Play:
1. Houston
2. Raleigh
3. Omaha
4. Boise
5. Colorado Springs
6. Austin
7. Fayettville
8. Sacramento
9. Des Moines
10. Provo
Aug. 21 (Bloomberg) -- Houston, the fourth-largest U.S. city, has been buoyed by construction in the Texas Medical Center, an area with 3,000 job openings that is likely to become larger than Dallas’s downtown, said Jeff Moseley, chief executive officer of the Greater Houston Partnership.
As a result of the medical center’s expansion, Houston may emerge from the economic decline quicker than the rest of the nation, Moseley said today in an interview. His group serves as a chamber of commerce and economic-development agency for the area.
“The construction cranes that are in this region are all down at Texas Medical Center,” Moseley said. “We’re kind of one of the last ones coming into this national cooling off, and because we’re very bullish on the fundamentals of our economic foundation, we argue we’re going to be some of the first ones coming out of it.”
Texas's Most densest Zip Code:
Houston-Zip 77081, 49,691 persons in 3.2 sq. miles. 15,528 ppm
Comparatively here is Dallas's densest zip code- Dallas-Zip 75231, 52,329 persons in 5.2 sq. miles. 10,063 ppm
Most Attractive Cities by people (men/women) 2009:
1. Miami
2. San Diego
3. Charleston
4. Los Angeles
5. Austin
6. Denver
7. Honolulu 8. Houston
9. Nashville
10. Minneapolis
11. San Francisco
12. Phoenix
13. Providence
14. Santa Fe
15. Kansas City
16. New York City
17. Portland
18. Dallas
19. Las Vegas
20. Chicago
21. Atlanta
22. Orlando
23. New Orleans
24. Seattle
25. Boston
26. San Antonio
27. Washington DC
28. Cleveland
29. St. Louis
30. Philadelphia
Most visited cities by overall overseas travelers 2009
1. New York City - 7,792,000
2. Miami - 2,661,000
3. Los Angeles - 2,518,000
4. Orlando - 2,399,000
5, San Francisco - 2,233,000
6. Las Vegas - 1,853,000
7. Washington - 1,544,000
8. Honolulu - 1,497,000
9. Boston - 1,140,000
10. Chicago - 1,118,000
11. San Diego - 618,000
12. Philadelphia - 594,000
13. Atlanta - 570,000
14. Houston - 428,000
Top Cities for Leisure Travel
1. New York City - 20.5%
2. Miami 14.8%
3. Los Angeles 9.8%
4. Honolulu 8.9%
5. Newark 7.7%
6. Guam 6.7%
7. Chicago 5.3%
8. Orlando 5%
9. San Francisco 4.9%
10. Atlanta 2.7%
11. Washington 2.5%
12. Boston 1.8%
13. Philadelphia 1.6%
14. Houston 1.2%
Top Cities for Business Travel:
1. New York City - 17.5%
2. Miami 12.7%
3. Los Angeles 11.9%
4. Chicago 8.8%
5. San Francisco 8.6%
6. Newark 8.3%
7. Atlanta 5.8%
8. Washington 5.6%
9. Houston 3.6%
10. Boston 3.1%
11. Philadelphia 2.5%
12. Honolulu 1.1%
13. Orlando 0.9%
14. Guam 0.3%
People from DFW, need to take this these rankings with a grain of salt, they left out the Fort Worth side of the Metroplex, that's the only reason Dallas isn't on the list.
Top 10 Lists of Piers/Boardwalks in USA:
1. Atlantic City
2. Coney Island 3. Kemah
4. Mission Beach
5. Ocean City, MD
6. Rehoboth Beach
7. Santa Cruz
8. Venice Beach
9. Virginia Beach
10. Wildwoods
Most Visited Cities in USA:
1. Orlando FL 48,000,000 visitors
2. New York NY 47,000,000 visitors
3. Chicago IL 45,580,000 visitors
4. Orange County CA/Los Angeles 42,700,000 visitors
5. Miami FL 38,100,000 visitors
6. Las Vegas NV 36,351,469 visitors
7. Atlanta GA 35,400,000 visitors 8. Houston TX 31,060,000 visitors
9. Philadelphia PA 30,320,000 visitors
10. San Diego CA 29,600,000 visitors
Cities/Townships with the highest per capita income in Texas:
Actually in the top 10 cities/areas by per capita income in Texas, Houston Metropolitan area has 5 (Piney Point Village-3, Hunters Creek Village- 5, Bunker Hill Village- 6, West University Village- 9, Hillshire Village-10) cities where as DFW Metroplex has 2 (Westover Hills-1, Highland Park-4).
I give Renaud credit for this information on International immigration- Houston-Sugar Land- Baytown MSA 2009:
Gain in foreign population in 2009: 32,022
1. Mexico : 8643
2. India : 1751
3. Vietnam : 1702
4. El Salvador : 1635
5. Pakistan : 1436
6. Nigeria : 1383
7. China : 1228
8. Philippines : 1148
9. Venezuela : 811
10. United Kingdom : 639
Here some information that I dug up-
Asian Indian Population in USA:
New York CSA: 566,039
Bay Area CSA: 208,854
Chicago CSA: 163,414
Los Angeles CSA: 141,395
Washington CSA: 139,845
Dallas-Fort Worth CSA: 83,055 Houston CSA: 76,574
Boston CSA: 71,937
Atlanta CSA: 66,618
Detroit CSA: 63,340
Sacramento CSA: 42,168
Seattle CSA: 39,481
Orlando CSA: 26,455
Twin Cities CSA: 25,757
Raleigh Durham CSA: 20,714
All South Asian Nationalities (India, Pakistan, Sri Lanka, Maldives, Bhutan, Nepal, & Bangladesh):
New York CSA: 662,927 (3.0% of the population)
Bay Area CSA: 218,860 (3.0% of the population)
Chicago CSA: 183,356 (1.9% of the population)
Los Angeles CSA: 163,061 (0.9% of the population)
Washington DC CSA: 159,818 (1.9% of the population)
Dallas CSA: 96,717 (1.5% of the population)
Houston CSA: 95,569 (1.7% of the population)
Philadelphia CSA: 85,182 (1.3% of the population)
Boston CSA: 77,995 (1.0% of the population)
Detroit CSA: 73,962 (1.3% of the population)
Atlanta CSA: 72,858 (1.3% of the population)
Miami MSA: 46,403 (0.08% of the population)
Sacramento CSA: 46,365 (1.9% of the population)
Seattle CSA: 41,607 (1.0% of the population)
Phoenix MSA: 29,046 (0.05% of the population)
San Diego MSA: 21,024 (0.06% of the population)
And yes G.I Joe Steve- Houston only has one measly line right now, bash and bash all you want, come 2012 when the 4 other lines open up and 2013 when the 5th new line opens up, there will be 6 lines total. Then they'll start in Commuter Rail and more Light Rail Line extension. Here see below for details.
Houston Light Rail System: Houston Phase I Light Rail (the current line):
http://www.urbanrail.net/am/hous/houston-map.gif (broken link) Houston in 2012 (Phase II): Houston 2015-2018 (Phase III):
Houston Downtown Developments in last 10 years:
- Addition of 128 million dollar Urban Park "Discovery Green"
- Addition of Minute Maid Stadium
- Addition of office buildings like 1500 Louisiana Street, Mainplace, Hess Tower, among many other.
- Addition of Toyota Center
- Addition of Houston Pavilions for shopping
- Addition of residential units and condo's
- Addition of grocery stores
- Addition of retail stores & also pharmacy
- Addition of Light Rail Public Transit
- Addition of restaurants & bars
- Addition of Nightclubs
- Addition of banks
It's a work in progress but the city has a lot of things going on.
I'm not going to post up all the developments going on in Houston because it has more going on than any other city (besides Dallas- which is on par) in the USA. So I'll post a few things that are either proposed, approved, under construction, brought up by thought and pending, or just recently got proposed (remember I'm only posting a few things not all)-
What Houston's Commuter Rail Trains will look like- as they have unveiled the design on METRORail's homepage:
http://www.metrosolutions.org/clients/1068/127787.jpg (broken link) New Office park with upscale shopping and hotels/restaurants: Indoor Ski (idea considered- not proposed status): 5 Allen Center- Downtown: Buffalo Bayou Project (which has slowed down- but still existent): Uptown Hotel addition (proposed):
http://www.wulfe.com/Images/BPPhotos/Lg_07.jpg (broken link)
http://www.wulfe.com/Images/BPPhotos/Lg_03.jpg (broken link) Houston Dynamo Stadium (now under way for construction):
YouTube - Dynamo Stadium Earth Quest Adventures (finally approved for construction late this year): New Stadiums at University of Houston & Renovation to one of the older ones:
The renovation-
The new stadium-
Astrodome Renovation & Hotel for Reliant Park Project (now underway):
http://www.reliantpark.com/attachments/files/1024/Reliant_Park_Master_Plan_Slide_Show_SM.pdf (broken link)
And there are way to many other projects in the works for me to spend all day listing- but from all my research there is no other city in the USA that's about to go through a dynamic change with all these additions like Houston & Dallas. Chicago & New York City are getting a few towers here and there, some of the tallest in the world- but to them one or even eight new towers don't matter in their plethora sea of a skyline.
Houston's contributions to recent times:
- Came up as a runner up to Chicago in USA for 2016 Olympic Bid.
- Runner up on the list right now for US World Cup support
- On the brink of getting an NHL team- the next team to relocate comes here, financiers are set and everything has been adjusted.
Some Pictures around Houston Metropolitan Area: The Terrain- Forest: Marshland: Prairie: Beaches: Swamp (It's not attractive, but I have to be fair and show the good-bad-and ugly): Lakes: Rivers: Parks:
I tried to post the pictures of the hills in North West Houston Metropolitan Area, but they were .GIF so it wouldn't come up in here and I'm too lazy right now after spending almost 3 hours on this post to convert .GIF to .JPG
Houston Skylines (the main ones): Houston Downtown skyline: Houston Uptown skyline: Texas Medical Center Skyline (2 years ago- it's going through a construction boom present day): Green Way Plaza Skyline: Houston Skylines combined (most of it- not all):
It was the first time the newspaper has endorsed a Democratic presidential candidate since 1964, when it favored Texan Lyndon Johnson over Barry Goldwater.
Harris County:
blue counties in Texas on Flickr - Photo Sharing! (http://www.flickr.com/photos/snafu/3003624053/ - broken link)
You act like a visitor in Houston:
What's new in Houston? (http://www.visithoustontexas.com/travel/whats_new_in_houston/index_test - broken link)
Okay so these are the things I want to see;
1. You have only stated that Fort Bend County is a conservative bible thumping place, can you show me proof that it's conservative in the same manner you are describing or that it's even one of the most conservative counties in America? I want to see proof.
2. You do realize Sugar Land that's the county seat for Fort Bend is one of the most diverse cities in Texas, right?
3. I never once said Houston is better than Chicago, Los Angeles, New York City, those cities are definitely in a tier above Houston, besides New York City which is two tier above Houston and one above Los Angeles & Chicago.
4. I just said it's comparable to Boston, Philadelphia, Miami, Dallas, etc... and it's definitely on the same tier as those cities. I think I've made that case quite clear from top to bottom.
5. I don't know what you're trying to get at by showing me how there are interracial problems in India, but that has nothing to do with Houston.
It's not Houston boosting when your posting facts to pack up what you say. It's Houston bashing when you bitterly get on everyday, repeat the same story, barely prove what you are saying, and then continue to do what you are doing.
Look there's plenty of sources that have negatives on Houston, just like any other city it has it's problems. It would rank high on traffic studies, pollution studies (which has been greatly decreasing), obesity studies (which it has been dropping in the lists too), flooding, etc... but there's more than enough positive things about Houston to make it an attractive place for people to come.
Houston is a transition city, it's changing rapidly right now. You people think Los Angeles had Hollywood before people got there? No, by the way- they STOLE Hollywood from Chicago & New York City due to their climate...
You think Chicago was already built up like some Utopian place with an amazing downtown before anyone got there? No, it was made as time progressed.
What we're seeing from Houston right now is that it's progressing and becoming something, it's finally starting to act like America's 4th largest city.
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Originally Posted by alphajet
So say's the American Born Desi” from Chicago who grew up on the mean streets of Sugar Land - you talk the talk...but really?
Yeah really,
Try to counter everything I say with some facts this time. It took me almost 4 hours to get this post completed, if you don't put in good enough effort for recent studies and facts to show me how Houston isn't a good city worth anyone living there, then I'm sorry- I can't accept what you say seriously.
And here I'll even post the same statistics and information that I has up before too just as a reminder for you.
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Originally Posted by OmShahi
Okay man, if you're going to bash Houston at least do it based off of facts and make sure that it's at least somewhat true.
Houston is not integrated and is segregated between it's ethnic/racial groups? How about New York City... lets look at how integrated our premier cosmopolitan city really is.
Houston is way more racially and ethnically integrated than New York City, which surprisingly for some of you has a lot of segregation.
Next, okay Houston is the 4th largest city in America, it has every right to compare itself to the cities you listed. It has EVERY right to do so. Especially because this census it will also become the 5th largest Metropolitan Area surpassing Philadelphia.
Houston is a growing city, notice that those cities are not growing that fast and are stabilizing or declining on migration. Houston has decades to go before it becomes like them on that scale. It's becoming a denser city.
Houston also has more projects and developments for improving city infrastructure out right now than any other city in the West, Midwest, & Northeast. It's only rivaled by Dallas in that regard.
So don't try to make it sound like it's a third world country either, it has projects going up like crazy.
Next, Houston is among one of the only four minority-majority diverse areas in the country:
CSAs by Non-Hispanic Whites as a Percentage of the Total Population, 2008
Minneapolis-St Paul-St Cloud, MN-WI 82.4%...
Boston-Manchester-Nashua, MA-RI-NH 79.5%...
Cleveland-Akron-Elyria, OH 76.2%...
Seattle-Tacoma-Olympia, WA 73.2%...
Detroit-Warren-Flint, MI 70.0%...
Philadelphia-Camden-Vineland, PA-NJ-DE-MD 67.7%...
Phoenix-Mesa-Scottsdale, AZ 58.6%...
Chicago-Naperville-Michigan City, IL-IN-WI 56.4%...
Washington-Baltimore-Northern Virginia, DC-MD-VA-WV 55.6%...
Atlanta-Sandy Springs-Gainesville, GA-AL 54.0%...
New York-Newark-Bridgeport, NY-NJ-CT-PA 53.6%...
San Diego-Carlsbad-San Marcos, CA 50.6%...
Dallas-Ft Worth, TX 50.5%... San Jose-San Francisco-Oakland, CA 45.5%... Houston-Baytown-Huntsville, TX 42.6%... Miami-Ft Lauderdale-Pompano Beach, FL 37.7%... Los Angeles-Long Beach-Riverside, CA 34.9%...
20 Most Diverse Counties in the US
1 Queens, NY
2 Alameda, CA(Oakland)
3 Kings, NY(Brooklyn)
4 Robeson, NC 5 Fort Bend, TX(Suburban Houston)
6 Hudson, NJ
7 New York, NY(Manhattan) 8 Harris, TX
9 Los Angeles, CA
10 Dallas, TX
11 San Francisco, CA
12 Solano, CA
13 Santa Clara, CA
14 Cook, IL
15 Essex, NJ(Newark)
16 San Joaquin, CA
17 Bronx, NY
18 San Mateo, CA
19 San Bernardino, CA
20 Fresno, CA
TOP 11 LIST OF MOST DIVERSE METROPOLITAN AREAS IN TERMS OF RACIAL GROUPS (out of the top 11 populated metro areas):
1) San Francisco (.687) 2) Houston (.676)
3) Los Angeles (.664)
4) Miami (.663)
5) Dallas (.618)
6) Chicago (.605)
7) Washington (.604)
8) Atlanta (.599)
9) New York (.595)
10) Philadelphia (.494)
11) Boston (.346)
I get online every single day, and all I see if your hating on Houston, do you enjoy getting online everyday to throw a fit and bash the place you live just because you like your old home more?
Look man, I'm from Chicago- making the transition wasn't any easier for me than it was for you, no more white Christmas, no more scenic skyline, having to make new friends, adjusting to weather, when my parents told me "we're moving to Houston, pack your things" can you imagine how I felt? I came to Houston with no expectations and it exceeded all of them because I kept an open mind about it.
I love Houston as much as I love Chicago. So don't insult my cities by saying one is less than the other.
I'm 20 years old, how old are you? If you're older than me, then seriously man, shame on you for acting this way EVERY SINGLE DAY. That's all you do.
I switch back and forth between home in Chicago/Houston. And Houston is definitely able to hold it's ground against Chicago, it's not better but it's not a slouch when comparing the two and it's catching up and starting to act like the 4th largest city in America now. Do some research first buddy.
Want to bash Houston, do it, but do it based off facts, makes you look less bitter of a person and less hateful...
Houston is humid- when you say that, at least you're not lying.
Just don't go around insulting nearly 6 million people, how they live their lives and where they live as if they're inferior to anyone.
I hate when people do that.
I want you to take the time and refute every aspect of my post, from my old one to my new one (both posts) and prove to me why Houston is such a bad place.
I never said it was the greatest city in the world, but you're constantly underestimating it with your bitter hatred for it. And quite frankly, it's really starting to get to me now.
My favorite cities in USA:
1. Tucson
2. Seattle
3. San Diego
I love Houston, but I'm not a homer to the point where all I see is Houston, I have other cities that I like a lot more than Houston & Chicago. But I still like both of them. For me, Houston, Chicago, Los Angeles are above New York City, San Francisco, Boston on my preference. But do you see me hating on any place I like less? No. Seriously man, if you're older than me, please act older.
Can someone please tell me why Californians hate Texas, Houston?
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rb4browns - you are equating "red state/conservative" with "not diverse."
The reality is Texas is overall a politically moderate state that leans right. Houston's congressional delegation is a good representation of this. We have a range from conservative Republicans like John Culberson to liberal Dems like Sheila Jackson Lee and Al Green. We have moderate Republicans like Ted Poe and moderate Dems like Gene Green. And Houston has a lesbian mayor who beat out an African American challenger
Good Post - Thank you - For me, Houston just feels a lot more progressive inside the loop - It's just the further out you go it seems to get conservative very fast - not just in the Republican/Democrat kind of way - but in the overall pace and mentality of the it's surbuban residents - But outside of CA ,There are many major metros once you leave its urban core its changes quickly - Philly - Chicago come to mind.
OmShahi-But you haven't shown one article where your claims about "Fort Bend being conservatively bible thumping" is true. Please give me a link of recent Fort Bend (last 5 years) of that being the case.
Go take a stroll in Fallbrook, Lancaster, Murrieta/Temecula, etc. etc. and tell us how welcoming and open minded they are of non white or mixed race folks
Fallbrook is very nice but somewhat country and agree with your analogy -
Lancaster - yes and a couple more - Hemet - Yucaipa - Santee - Lakeside - Norco - Menifee - Elsinore - Victorville - maybe El Cajon but alot of those types are just low end white trash, smack them over the head types - been to all of these places, lived in Redlands for two years - Temecula and Murrieta - Motocross meets Horse country not too bad - lots of those guys are my friends who moved out there 6-7 years ago - the rest is manageable. Big difference between Coastal Ca and High Desert IE people -
OmShahi-But you haven't shown one article where your claims about "Fort Bend being conservatively bible thumping" is true. Please give me a link of recent Fort Bend (last 5 years) of that being the case.
Both of you seem to be ignoring the fact that "conservative" and "religious" can exist independently of each other.
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