Why do people think a full UT campus in Houston would negatively impact UH? (Austin: public school, universities)

[naners1]

Originally Posted by Dopo

for me .... a bigger question is .... is UH considered a "real university" or a "big community college"?
I'm not bashing them, it's a real question

The University of Houston has the same percentage of students living on campus as UT at Austin.

https://uh.edu/housing/housing-options/


The university of Houston has a medical school, something Rice does not have. I believe UH Medical will surpass UT medical in the number of medical students in Houston in a few years.

https://www.uh.edu/medicine/

[ParaguaneroSwag]

Originally Posted by naners1

. I believe UH Medical will surpass UT medical in the number of medical students in Houston in a few years.

https://www.uh.edu/medicine/

This is cap. Have you seen the investments UT has ongoing in TMC? They have two major projects underway right now in TMC.

His community college claim was ridiculous, but don’t overhype UH either. It would take a miracle for UH’s medical program to come close to UT-Houston’s medical.

[naners1]

Originally Posted by ParaguaneroSwag

This is cap. Have you seen the investments UT has ongoing in TMC? They have two major projects underway right now in TMC.

His community college claim was ridiculous, but don’t overhype UH either. It would take a miracle for UH’s medical program to come close to UT-Houston’s medical.

The University of Houston has truly deep pockets to draw from, there is an unlimited numbers of billionaires willing to donate. U of H can attract billions literally. Any program that has a lot of backing can succeed.

https://uh.edu/news-events/stories/2...he-billion.php

https://www.papercitymag.com/society...raising-drive/

[ParaguaneroSwag]

Originally Posted by naners1

The University of Houston has truly deep pockets to draw from, there is an unlimited numbers of billionaires willing to donate. U of H can attract billions literally. Any program that has a lot of backing can succeed.

https://uh.edu/news-events/stories/2...he-billion.php

https://www.papercitymag.com/society...raising-drive/

Then why haven’t they? Not that UH pockets aren’t deep. But they’re microscopic to Rice/UT/BCM/A&M. When the city of Houston needs a public research project, who do they turn to? Not UH. They go to Rice and Baylor College of Medicine.

Infact just today it happened again. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.biz...otest.amp.html

UH is barely getting into a billion in endowment. Rice is 7 times over (that’s more than UT). Baylor College of Medicine is just a medical school and they get more endowment than UH’s entire system. So much for your deep pockets argument.

[naners1]

Originally Posted by ParaguaneroSwag

Then why haven’t they? Not that UH pockets aren’t deep. But they’re microscopic to Rice/UT/BCM/A&M. When the city of Houston needs a public research project, who do they turn to? Not UH. They go to Rice and Baylor College of Medicine.

Infact just today it happened again. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.biz...otest.amp.html

UH is barely getting into a billion in endowment. Rice is 7 times over (that’s more than UT). Baylor College of Medicine is just a medical school and they get more endowment than UH’s entire system. So much for your deep pockets argument.

As far as funds spent on research is concerned the University of Houston spent over 195 million on research in 2018 While Rice with all its money only spent 156 million in 2019.
Rice is an outstanding university but it really needs to grow it barely has 7,100 students. The University of Houston has over 46,000 students with nearly 9,000 graduate students. Research will increase exponentially once its Medical School begins to really roll.
https://uh.edu/uh-research/
https://www.google.com/search?rlz=1C...w=1491&bih=734

[timtemtym]

UT has two campuses in DFW and still the University of North Texas system seems to do just fine and grow.

I think if UT does build in Houston then it should shoot for the NW side of town where there is a huge population not served by a real university campus (they have UH satellites and the University Center in the woodlands, etc...). I think that area could do just fine with a UT campus.

[ParaguaneroSwag]

Originally Posted by naners1

As far as funds spent on research is concerned the University of Houston spent over 195 million on research in 2018 While Rice with all its money only spent 156 million in 2019.
Rice is an outstanding university but it really needs to grow it barely has 7,100 students. The University of Houston has over 46,000 students with nearly 9,000 graduate students. Research will increase exponentially once its Medical School begins to really roll.
https://uh.edu/uh-research/
https://www.google.com/search?rlz=1C...w=1491&bih=734

Definition of Endowment: money or other financial assets that are donated to academic institution

Endowment of UH 2019: $959.8M https://www.nacubo.org/-/media/Nacub...l-Feb-10.ashx?

Endowment of Rice University 2019: $6.48B https://www.nacubo.org/-/media/Nacub...l-Feb-10.ashx?

You got this one wrong by a long shot. Rice gets 6 and a half times more investors than UH. Baylor College of Medicine and UT-Heath at TMC get more endowment then UH’s entire system do as well by the way.

Here’s what you’re not understanding. You’re focusing quantity over quality. UofH has more students than Rice, it has no where near the quality of education you get at Rice. Rice has the money to grow its population larger than UH if it felt like going that direction but why would it? It’s built a reputation of prestige that would be tarnished if it were to go that direction. And even though UT’s prestige is lower than Rice, it’s far higher than UH’s. Rice’s lower population is by choice.

I like UH, don’t get me wrong but you’re severely overhyping UH. You’re comparing one of the most prestigious schools in the nation (whether Rice or UT) to a school that caters to the masses. It would take some kind of phenomenal miracle for UH to near Rice University or for its medical program to surpass UT health at TMC.

[hbcu]

Rice on the sports side wants to be Stanford but it ain’t happening. They gotten the academically minded student who only focuses on one thing which means they don’t care about the total college experience and the environment around them which means their investments won’t center on major infrastructure unless it’s a something on the existing campus.

UH has constantly fought the little brother syndrome as they’ve figured out how to keep up with A&M and UT enrollment wise to stay relevant. They constantly have to be more aggressive and spend more to do so but in some cases their volume isn’t the same volume UT and A&M is getting. A lot of UH students are fallback students meaning choice #1 fell through and UH is a solid local backup but they already have a work first college second mentality. The A&M UT student is one who wanted to go there from birth and will do whatever it takes to get there and they’ll have a stronger bond as They enjoyed life then return to wherever to work but they’ll always have that experience.

UH also has a bully syndrome as they want to flex their muscles over everyone else locally with multiple campuses, perception but when it comes to bigger schools the mindset changes

[AcresHomes44]

If UT-Houston became reality, UT-Houston would shut down UH based on name recognition. It's a strong possibility that UT-Houston would draw students away from UH because as stated before, UH is the fallback school for many students who couldn't get into their school of choice.

[airdrawndagger]

Originally Posted by naners1

The University of Houston has the same percentage of students living on campus as UT at Austin.

https://uh.edu/housing/housing-options/

This may be true, but perception is everything. The first thing that comes to my mind (and probably many others) when talking about UH is "commuter school." I don't think UT-Austin gets that label at all.