07-21-2019, 09:09 PM
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Here's my situation:
* Currently living in-town in CDA
* I work from home 100% of the time. Most of my time is spent on video calls/meetings, so reliable internet at a decent speed. It doesn't need to be blazing (not downloading large files), but no data caps either.
* My family would like to live on 5 or 10 acres within 25 minutes from town, and I don't want to commute into town to work.
I've tried to do some research on my own - it looks like Intermax microwave is the most promising out of the options (no data caps).
Questions:
* Given my criteria, is rural living in North Idaho out of the question for us?
* Does anyone have personal experience with Intermax and can say whether video conferencing is viable on it?
* How fast exactly is their "$139 Internet Package" ?
https://intermaxnetworks.com/139-internet-package/
07-22-2019, 12:33 PM
Location: North Idaho
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There are some older threads here that I think still accurately describe the Internet situation in North Idaho.
Be aware that whether you can receive the microwave services (Intermax, Air Pipe) depends on whether you have line of sight to a nearby tower. This can become almost a property by property question. Even a few trees in the wrong place can block the signal enough to be a problem.
My wife is in a similar situation, and she rents a small office in town (Sandpoint) since we have no other option than satellite where we live. It's a workable solution for us, and we're 30 minutes from town.
Dave
07-25-2019, 02:52 PM
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Have you looked at the Intermax site and their 'coverage' maps, with wht I presume are tower locations?
Is it possible to try their service for a few months if you can do so without a hug commitment, and see if it works for your needs? Unless you can find someone who can give a direct experience, it would be a good investment IMHO.
FWIW, a good microwave link can support hundred's of Megs of bandwidth. So being microwave per se is not an issue. Weather (like cloudiness and heavy rain rates in the path) can have an effect on a link however. They do say this about bandwidth: "Most packages support video streaming....".
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07-26-2019, 05:22 PM
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I lived in North Idaho for several years. It is NOT a high tech hub, nor will it be.
You need to move across the state line to eastern Washington. There are many counties in eastern Washington to offer fiber internet to residents. Fortunately, for you one is just across the state line from north Idaho.
https://cnsfiber.net/ServiceMap
Idaho is a great state, Washington is a corporate state, but some eastern Washington residents still have the benefits of municipal broadband, even though the corporate interests in western Washington tried to stop its deployment.
Pend Orille County is your closes site to rural, high speed fiber internet.
My county offers 1Gbps service...I am not sure, but I know you can get at least 100 Mbps up and down.
10-03-2019, 04:20 AM
Location: North Idaho
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This is a great topic as I also work from home and need to know how I'm going to be able to get some sort of internet service fast enough for my job. Don't really care if it is "fast" as long as I can at least do skype/audio calls I'll be fine. Is using (we're switching to Verizon soon) cell service via a hotspot going to be a viable option if the satellite providers don't provide enough monthly bandwidth and the Intermax microwave thing doesn't reach the property we end up buying?
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Idaho is a great state, Washington is a corporate state, but some eastern Washington residents still have the benefits of municipal broadband, even though the corporate interests in western Washington tried to stop its deployment.
As awesome as WA is on a lot of things, and it is on the central and eastern side, the state is still run by the far left King county that ruins the whole state if you like the Bill of Rights.
11-09-2019, 07:36 AM
Location: NID
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Reviving this topic with relevant updates:
In case you haven't heard; SpaceX is about to launch their second rocket carrying Starlink satellites. Why is this relevant?
Starlink will be a constellation of 12,000 satellites over North America (42,000 worldwide) providing faster and more reliable internet. These satellites will be in Low Earth Orbit (LEO) at approximately 340 miles above Earth. This altitude is significantly lower than previous internet satellites and will lower pings from 650ms to around 35ms. The speeds, both in response and bandwidth will be better than what is available with Hughes and ViaSat.
Once Starlink has enough satellites in orbit, residential customers will be able to have broadband internet regardless of traditional limiting factors. The first 60 satellites have been launched and tested, another 60 next week, then they expect 24 more launches in 2020. SpaceX is planning to have the Northern United States covered by mid-2020.
Cost is unknown at this time, but expected to be around $80 a month for service comparable to cable internet. No information is available on data caps, speed throttling or package tiers, but I am sure they will be leaking that out as the program progresses. As of now, the receiver/transmitter (commonly referred to as a "pizza box") will be all the hardware that is required for the homeowner.
Is this the answer for North Idaho internet woes? I say, eventually. Probably late 2020 is more realistic, but the thought of having broadband internet, regardless of how remote your property is, this is the dream many of us have been waiting for. One other thing that gives some hope to our situation; the Starlink program is ran from Washington state. I believe this will benefit North Idaho with coverage before other areas.
Also, OneWeb and Amazon's Kuiper systems are very similar and are being launched in 2020 as well, so competition will hopefully keep the prices down.
Let's keep are fingers crossed and hopefully have cheap, reliable and fast internet for all of us rural homesteaders.
11-09-2019, 08:37 AM
Location: Lakeside
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We lived there for 14 years and suffered with only satellite.
When my husband started working from home, we ponied up for a T1 line.
Expensive, but it’s what we needed.
11-09-2019, 09:06 AM
Location: North Idaho
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We've talked about OneWeb and other potential LEO providers in other threads about Internet in north Idaho. Yes, these services have the potential to revolutionize Internet access in remote locations around the world.
I've been following OneWeb because the company I worked for before I retired is building the antenna for the ground stations. OneWeb has some satellites in operation on a test basis. They are the first to launch and use the Ku spectrum for this purpose, which does give then some advantages over others who want to use those frequencies. They are now saying service will be available in 2021, which I think is a more reasonable estimate for all the systems.
What remains to be seen is whether these systems can be successful from a business perspective. There is a long history of these types of ventures failing to make a profit, entering bankruptcy, writing off the costs of building and putting satellites in orbit, and then revising their business model accordingly. Time will tell either any of these companies follow that path.
Dave
03-01-2020, 04:16 PM
Location: Corona Ca
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Reviving this topic with relevant updates:
In case you haven't heard; SpaceX is about to launch their second rocket carrying Starlink satellites. Why is this relevant?
Is this the answer for North Idaho internet woes? I say, eventually. Probably late 2020 is more realistic, but the thought of having broadband internet, regardless of how remote your property is, this is the dream many of us have been waiting for. One other thing that gives some hope to our situation; the Starlink program is ran from Washington state. I believe this will benefit North Idaho with coverage before other areas.
Also, OneWeb and Amazon's Kuiper systems are very similar and are being launched in 2020 as well, so competition will hopefully keep the prices down.
Let's keep are fingers crossed and hopefully have cheap, reliable and fast internet for all of us rural homesteaders.
Reminds me of the early 80 when you would see rich people in the rural areas with hugs satellite dishes before cable even took off. The cool thing about this is that with the combined global implication, the economics of scale and broad consumer base, this is likely to be reasonably affordable and a lot easier than those old sat dishes. It definitely removes access to physical internet lines as a serious consideration when balancing the pros and cons of rural properties. A huge propane tank and a pizza box is all you need right? No need for municipal utilities.
03-02-2020, 09:59 AM
Location: North Idaho
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5 acres within 25 minutes (minutes. not miles) of downtown CDA is not out in the wilderness. I've got 5 acres within 25 miles of CDA and I get Spectrum cable and internet. It's not like OP is asking about moving to the far reaches of Alaska where the only way to get there is to fly in on one of those little bush planes on skies.
There are nice 5 acre parcels north of CDA and there are also some very nice little ranchettes south of the river from Post Falls. Most likely all of them get internet.
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People in Group quarters - Wards in general hospitals for patients who have no usual home elsewhere (%)
People in Group quarters - Wards in military hospitals for patients who have no usual home elsewhere (%)
People in Group quarters - Juvenile institutions (%)
People in Group quarters - Long-term care (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for abused, dependent, and neglected children (%)
People in Group quarters - Residential treatment centers for emotionally disturbed children (%)
People in Group quarters - Training schools for juvenile delinquents (%)
People in Group quarters - Short-term care, detention or diagnostic centers for delinquent children (%)
People in Group quarters - Type of juvenile institution unknown (%)
People in Group quarters - Noninstitutionalized population (%)
People in Group quarters - College dormitories (includes college quarters off campus) (%)
People in Group quarters - Military quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - On base (%)
People in Group quarters - Barracks, unaccompanied personnel housing (UPH), (Enlisted/Officer), ;and similar group living quarters for military personnel (%)
People in Group quarters - Transient quarters for temporary residents (%)
People in Group quarters - Military ships (%)
People in Group quarters - Group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes or halfway houses for drug/alcohol abuse (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally retarded (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Other group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Religious group quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - Dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Agriculture workers' dormitories on farms (%)
People in Group quarters - Job Corps and vocational training facilities (%)
People in Group quarters - Other workers' dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Crews of maritime vessels (%)
People in Group quarters - Other nonhousehold living situations (%)
People in Group quarters - Other noninstitutional group quarters (%)
Residents speaking English at home (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking other language at home (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Foreign born (%)
Class of Workers - Employee of private company (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed in own incorporated business (%)
Class of Workers - Private not-for-profit wage and salary workers (%)
Class of Workers - Local government workers (%)
Class of Workers - State government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Federal government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed workers in own not incorporated business and Unpaid family workers (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - No fuel used (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - No fuel used (%)
Armed forces status - In Armed Forces (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Veteran (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Nonveteran (%)
Fatal accidents locations in years 2005-2021
Fatal accidents locations in 2005
Fatal accidents locations in 2006
Fatal accidents locations in 2007
Fatal accidents locations in 2008
Fatal accidents locations in 2009
Fatal accidents locations in 2010
Fatal accidents locations in 2011
Fatal accidents locations in 2012
Fatal accidents locations in 2013
Fatal accidents locations in 2014
Fatal accidents locations in 2015
Fatal accidents locations in 2016
Fatal accidents locations in 2017
Fatal accidents locations in 2018
Fatal accidents locations in 2019
Fatal accidents locations in 2020
Fatal accidents locations in 2021
Alcohol use - People drinking some alcohol every month (%)
Alcohol use - People not drinking at all (%)
Alcohol use - Average days/month drinking alcohol
Alcohol use - Average drinks/week
Alcohol use - Average days/year people drink much
Audiometry - Average condition of hearing (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear a whisper from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear normal voice from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - Ears ringing, roaring, buzzing (%)
Audiometry - Had a job exposure to loud noise (%)
Audiometry - Had off-work exposure to loud noise (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high blood pressure (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Checking blood pressure at home (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Frequently checking blood cholesterol (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high cholesterol level (%)
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at supermarket/grocery store
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at other stores
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on eating out
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on carryout/delivered foods
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at supermarket/grocery store (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at other stores (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on eating out (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on carryout/delivered foods (%)
Current Health Status - General health condition (%)
Current Health Status - Blood donors (%)
Current Health Status - Has blood ever tested for HIV virus (%)
Current Health Status - Left-handed people (%)
Dermatology - People using sunscreen (%)
Diabetes - Diabetics (%)
Diabetes - Had a blood test for high blood sugar (%)
Diabetes - People taking insulin (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Diet health (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Milk product consumption (# of products/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals not home prepared (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals from fast food or pizza place (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Ready-to-eat foods (#/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Frozen meals/pizza (#/month)
Drug Use - People that ever used marijuana or hashish (%)
Drug Use - Ever used hard drugs (%)
Drug Use - Ever used any form of cocaine (%)
Drug Use - Ever used heroin (%)
Drug Use - Ever used methamphetamine (%)
Health Insurance - People covered by health insurance (%)
Kidney Conditions-Urology - Avg. # of times urinating at night
Medical Conditions - People with asthma (%)
Medical Conditions - People with anemia (%)
Medical Conditions - People with psoriasis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with overweight (%)
Medical Conditions - Elderly people having difficulties in thinking or remembering (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever received blood transfusion (%)
Medical Conditions - People having trouble seeing even with glass/contacts (%)
Medical Conditions - People with arthritis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with gout (%)
Medical Conditions - People with congestive heart failure (%)
Medical Conditions - People with coronary heart disease (%)
Medical Conditions - People with angina pectoris (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had heart attack (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had stroke (%)
Medical Conditions - People with emphysema (%)
Medical Conditions - People with thyroid problem (%)
Medical Conditions - People with chronic bronchitis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with any liver condition (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had cancer or malignancy (%)
Mental Health - People who have little interest in doing things (%)
Mental Health - People feeling down, depressed, or hopeless (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble sleeping or sleeping too much (%)
Mental Health - People feeling tired or having little energy (%)
Mental Health - People with poor appetite or overeating (%)
Mental Health - People feeling bad about themself (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble concentrating on things (%)
Mental Health - People moving or speaking slowly or too fast (%)
Mental Health - People having thoughts they would be better off dead (%)
Oral Health - Average years since last visit a dentist
Oral Health - People embarrassed because of mouth (%)
Oral Health - People with gum disease (%)
Oral Health - General health of teeth and gums (%)
Oral Health - Average days a week using dental floss/device
Oral Health - Average days a week using mouthwash for dental problem
Oral Health - Average number of teeth
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to control insects (%)
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to kill weeds (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People walking or bicycling (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - Average hours a day doing sedentary activities
Physical Activity - Average hours a day watching TV or videos
Physical Activity - Average hours a day using computer
Physical Functioning - People having limitations keeping them from working (%)
Physical Functioning - People limited in amount of work they can do (%)
Physical Functioning - People that need special equipment to walk (%)
Physical Functioning - People experiencing confusion/memory problems (%)
Physical Functioning - People requiring special healthcare equipment (%)
Prescription Medications - Average number of prescription medicines taking
Preventive Aspirin Use - Adults 40+ taking low-dose aspirin (%)
Reproductive Health - Vaginal deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Cesarean deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Deliveries resulted in a live birth (%)
Reproductive Health - Pregnancies resulted in a delivery (%)
Reproductive Health - Women breastfeeding newborns (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had a hysterectomy (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had both ovaries removed (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever taken birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women taking birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used Depo-Provera or injectables (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used female hormones (%)
Sexual Behavior - People 18+ that ever had sex (vaginal, anal, or oral) (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had anal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had any sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had anal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had any kind of sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first had sex
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female vaginal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a woman (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of woman performed oral sex on in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male anal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a man (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male oral sex partners in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - People using protection when performing oral sex (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of times people have vaginal or anal sex a year
Sexual Behavior - People having sex without condom (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male vaginal sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Circumcised males 18+ (%)
Sleep Disorders - Average hours sleeping at night
Sleep Disorders - People that has trouble sleeping (%)
Smoking-Cigarette Use - People smoking cigarettes (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with smell (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with taste (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had wisdom teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had tonsils teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a loss of consciousness because of a head injury (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a broken nose or other serious injury to face or skull (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had two or more sinus infections (%)
Weight - Average height (inches)
Weight - Average weight (pounds)
Weight - Average BMI
Weight - People that are obese (%)
Weight - People that ever were obese (%)
Weight - People trying to lose weight (%)