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Old 06-20-2011, 09:34 AM
 
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Let's imagine that you're in charge of rewriting American legal immigration policy. Let's also imagine that you waved a magic wand so that all the illegal immigrants are magically and painlessly transported back to their countries, along with all of the children the sired here who are under 18 and who do not have a living US citizen parent. Like it or not, the kids are US citizens, so they'll be able to come back any time they wish, but since they are under 18 and wouldn't have a parent remaining in the country, they would probably best off going back to their parents' country of origin. And finally, we'll imagine that the border is "secure."

Now, these people weren't documented by our government because they entered illegally, after all. So, we don't know who of the people who might be applying for immigration under your new policies were illegal immigrants before, although we might be able to figure it out in the cases of a non-citizen wanting to get back to his or her spouse.

Who would you let in? How do you decide? What should people do in order to qualify for legal immigration?

 
Old 06-20-2011, 09:50 AM
 
Location: SouthCentral Texas
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Let's imagine that you're in charge of rewriting American legal immigration policy. Let's also imagine that you waved a magic wand so that all the illegal immigrants are magically and painlessly transported back to their countries, along with all of the children the sired here who are under 18 and who do not have a living US citizen parent. Like it or not, the kids are US citizens, so they'll be able to come back any time they wish, but since they are under 18 and wouldn't have a parent remaining in the country, they would probably best off going back to their parents' country of origin. And finally, we'll imagine that the border is "secure."

Now, these people weren't documented by our government because they entered illegally, after all. So, we don't know who of the people who might be applying for immigration under your new policies were illegal immigrants before, although we might be able to figure it out in the cases of a non-citizen wanting to get back to his or her spouse.

Who would you let in? How do you decide? What should people do in order to qualify for legal immigration?
magic wand? are you serious...This makes about as much sense as the poster that thinks...Placing debates in the Consgressional Record makes it law.
 
Old 06-20-2011, 09:50 AM
 
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Let's imagine that you're in charge of rewriting American legal immigration policy. Let's also imagine that you waved a magic wand so that all the illegal immigrants are magically and painlessly transported back to their countries, along with all of the children the sired here who are under 18 and who do not have a living US citizen parent. Like it or not, the kids are US citizens, so they'll be able to come back any time they wish, but since they are under 18 and wouldn't have a parent remaining in the country, they would probably best off going back to their parents' country of origin. And finally, we'll imagine that the border is "secure."

Now, these people weren't documented by our government because they entered illegally, after all. So, we don't know who of the people who might be applying for immigration under your new policies were illegal immigrants before, although we might be able to figure it out in the cases of a non-citizen wanting to get back to his or her spouse.

Who would you let in? How do you decide? What should people do in order to qualify for legal immigration?
Our government has already decided how many legal immigrants we can allow into our country annually that will be a net benefit rather than a net negative. Nothing to decide. It has already been decided based on factors such as population growth, resource and job availability.

If they don't meet the qualifications or are not within our annual quotas then they need to just stay home or seek some other country to migrate to.
 
Old 06-20-2011, 10:11 AM
 
Location: Maryland
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magic wand? are you serious...This makes about as much sense as the poster that thinks...Placing debates in the Consgressional Record makes it law.
Why mince words? I am "the poster" who mentioned the Congressional Record during the Birthright Citizenship debate. However, as usual, rather than quoting me, you prefer to twist my words. When did I ever mention inclusion in the Congressional Record equates to the passage of a law? I will tell you when -- NEVER! I said that Jacob Howard confirmed his intent of the Citizenship Clause, and that it remains in the Congressional Record. But, how is that relevant to this debate?
 
Old 06-20-2011, 03:46 PM
 
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Our government has already decided how many legal immigrants we can allow into our country annually that will be a net benefit rather than a net negative. Nothing to decide. It has already been decided based on factors such as population growth, resource and job availability.

If they don't meet the qualifications or are not within our annual quotas then they need to just stay home or seek some other country to migrate to.
This seems like an odd position to take. I mean, many people here are dissatisfied with the federal government's decisions: how they enforce illegal immigration, how much money they spend on things like defense and Medicare, how much in taxes we pay, etc. Why do you think the government has its immigration quotas exactly correct when there is so much that so many people, including myself, think that the government has wrong? Or do you think the government pretty good at those things, such as immigration enforcement?
 
Old 06-20-2011, 03:52 PM
 
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This seems like an odd position to take. I mean, many people here are dissatisfied with the federal government's decisions: how they enforce illegal immigration, how much money they spend on things like defense and Medicare, how much in taxes we pay, etc. Why do you think the government has its immigration quotas exactly correct when there is so much that so many people, including myself, think that the government has wrong? Or do you think the government pretty good at those things, such as immigration enforcement?
You are mixing apples and oranges here. There is no reason to believe that experts haven't researched our annual needs for legal immigrants based on population growth and jobs and resources. That has nothing to do with what our tax dollars are spent on. The biggest problem is all this family re-unification nonsense that isn't even included in our annual quotas which just increases the numbers allowed in here each year.
 
Old 06-20-2011, 03:55 PM
 
Location: Jacurutu
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...family ruinification nonsense...
Freudian slip?...
 
Old 06-20-2011, 03:57 PM
 
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Freudian slip?...
No, mispelled word of which I will correct.
 
Old 06-20-2011, 05:44 PM
 
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You are mixing apples and oranges here. There is no reason to believe that experts haven't researched our annual needs for legal immigrants based on population growth and jobs and resources. That has nothing to do with what our tax dollars are spent on. The biggest problem is all this family re-unification nonsense that isn't even included in our annual quotas which just increases the numbers allowed in here each year.
Actually, there is very good reason to believe that the experts, or whoever formulated the policy were wrong as evidenced by the massive labor shortages Georgia is currently experiencing.

Also, it has everything to do with what we spend our tax dollars on, at least it seems to to several posters on this forum with all the belly aching about how big of a drain on the system they claim illegals are.
 
Old 06-20-2011, 06:29 PM
 
Location: OCEAN BREEZES AND VIEWS SAN CLEMENTE
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Our government has already decided how many legal immigrants we can allow into our country annually that will be a net benefit rather than a net negative. Nothing to decide. It has already been decided based on factors such as population growth, resource and job availability.

If they don't meet the qualifications or are not within our annual quotas then they need to just stay home or seek some other country to migrate to.

Thank you chicagonut; this is just plain silly, because the knuckleheads in Power, of this pesky situation, have made it painfully clear, of just how many are going to be allowed illegally into our Country. None of us can change it, if there were a magic wand, i beleive a lot of us would be using our magic wands.
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