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Old 09-23-2011, 08:14 AM
 
Location: Murika
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I have no idea why this is so difficult.

Children born on US soil automatically have US citizenship. Their foreign parents do not!
US citizens can sponsor foreign relatives for permanent residency once they (the US citizen) is 21 years of age. No sooner than that.

In other words, the foreign parents of the US citizen have no right to remain in the US and MUST exit the country once their visa (or waiver) runs out. Short time extensions can, of course, be granted based on medical necessity - which is only rarely warranted.

If the parents stay, they are violating US immigration law and are subject to deportation and a subsequent ban from entering the US.

That their child is a US citizen has absolutely no relevance and does not change anything about the legal standing of the parents. As such, the term "anchor baby" is an absolute misnomer, mainly because anchoring implies that one is immediately allowed to stay. At best, having a baby here establishes a tie to the US that can result in the benefit of legal permanent residency 21 years after the child is born.
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Old 09-23-2011, 08:19 AM
 
Location: Boston, MA
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This is a pointless exercise. Until there is a constitutional change the practice of coming to this country to give your child American citizenship will legally continue.
Some people seem tho think that this is a wonderful thing while others see abuse of our laws and theft of our very expensive services.
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Old 09-23-2011, 08:20 AM
 
Location: Murika
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This is a pointless exercise. Until there is a constitutional change the practice of coming to this country to give your child American citizenship will legally continue.
Some people seem tho think that this is a wonderful thing while others see abuse of our laws and theft of our very expensive services.
Those who see it as abuse apparently do not understand current US law.
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Old 09-23-2011, 08:59 AM
 
Location: Boston, MA
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Those who see it as abuse apparently do not understand current US law.
Sure we do. You don't think people take advantage of legal loopholes and such?
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Old 09-23-2011, 09:03 AM
 
Location: Boston, MA
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Those who see it as abuse apparently do not understand current US law.
Do you think it's alright that the maternity wards in border state hospitals are overwhelmed by people coming over the border to give birth? Do you realize that the taxpaying and insurance paying American citizen is picking up the tab to the tune of hundreds of millions of dollars per year?

That's abuse.
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Old 09-23-2011, 09:06 AM
 
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Those who see it as abuse apparently do not understand current US law.
Elaborate a little on your comment.
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Old 09-23-2011, 09:10 AM
 
Location: Fairfax, VA
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I have no idea why this is so difficult.

Children born on US soil automatically have US citizenship. Their foreign parents do not!
US citizens can sponsor foreign relatives for permanent residency once they (the US citizen) is 21 years of age. No sooner than that.

In other words, the foreign parents of the US citizen have no right to remain in the US and MUST exit the country once their visa (or waiver) runs out. Short time extensions can, of course, be granted based on medical necessity - which is only rarely warranted.

If the parents stay, they are violating US immigration law and are subject to deportation and a subsequent ban from entering the US.

That their child is a US citizen has absolutely no relevance and does not change anything about the legal standing of the parents. As such, the term "anchor baby" is an absolute misnomer, mainly because anchoring implies that one is immediately allowed to stay. At best, having a baby here establishes a tie to the US that can result in the benefit of legal permanent residency 21 years after the child is born.

What if the parents don't want their kid to be an American? What if a pregnant chinese tourist goes into labor while visting friends in the US?
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Old 09-23-2011, 09:49 AM
 
Location: Littleton, CO
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What if the parents don't want their kid to be an American?
Doesn't matter. Most citizenship is completely involuntary. Tens of millions of Americans are dual citizens and don't even know it because their ancestral countries have granted them jus sanguinis citizenship automatically.

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What if a pregnant chinese tourist goes into labor while visting friends in the US?
That baby would be a US citizen.

Last edited by HistorianDude; 09-23-2011 at 10:10 AM..
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Old 09-23-2011, 09:53 AM
 
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What if the parents don't want their kid to be an American? What if a pregnant chinese tourist goes into labor while visting friends in the US?

so what? by having Chinese parents, they are automatically Chinese Citizens (China is jus sanguinis).
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Old 09-23-2011, 10:01 AM
 
Location: Littleton, CO
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Thats not true. Many Indians lived amongst us, they still were not American.
Wrong.

Only "Indians not taxed" were denied citizenship. If they "lived among us" and were not explicitly excluded from taxation because they had asserted membership in their own "nations" they were citizens just like everybody else.

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Even Black slaves were not considered American until a certain time.
And it required a Constitutional amendment to change that. Just as it would take a constitutional amendment to change the current citizenship status of children of illegals.

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So illegals are misinterpreting as you agree.
I have no interest in how illegals are interpreting anything. I care only about how our laws are understood by the US Supreme Court.

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So they should not be allowed sponsor any family members.
Read again the 14th Amendment.

"No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States."

Last edited by HistorianDude; 09-23-2011 at 10:11 AM..
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