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Old 08-27-2007, 12:43 AM
 
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Recently, 120 people in the company I worked for, including myself, were laid off. Our jobs went to Canadians and East Indians. Jobs are have left and are still leaving the United States every day. In the meantime, our borders are being rushed fraom Our Country's Southern border mainly. (There is still plenty of illegal aliens entering Our Country through other means.) These jobs that the illegal aliens are doing may have to be done by people like myself whose jobs have been sent offshore by the American businessman.

The dumbing down of America started many years ago. One certainly does not have to know the English language to get by in the US unless one doesn't know how to speak Mexican/Spanish. Over the years, government offices have had Mexican/Spanish speakers to accommodate those who know Mexican/Spanish. I can not call any business today without a recording directing Mexican/Spanish speakers to someone who can speak their language.

I look for a job and the employers want bi-lingual speakers. Why must I learn Mexican/Spanish in order to get a job? I am not living or working in Mexico. I am of Italian ancestry. My ancestors came through Ellis Island LEGALLY. I never hear a recording directing Italian speakers to an Italian speaker to do business.

I went into Bank of America and the teller had a customer the next window over. The man could only speak Mexican and the teller could only speak English. Yet she made an attempt to offer the man a VISA credit card. I have never been offered a VISA credit card through Bank of America at the teller window.

None of these situations surprise any of you, I am sure. We have to regain Our Country back. We have to become a Sovereign Nation once again.

When the Immigration bill was passed in the mid-1980's MY rights as an
American were trampled on. Amnesty was offered to illegal aliens. Yet, I had to start proving to employers that I had a right to be working in MY Country by showing two forms of ID. Yet the illegal alien still comes into this country and gets work??? Illegal aliens are building homes here. Are you telling me that there are no American construction workers who want those jobs???

The American businessman has lost his soul and sold the American worker down the river. They send American jobs offshore and American citizens still buy their products and services. They hire illegal aliens knowingly and yet we Americans still buy their products and services.

We slept through the wake-up call. And, yes we now need to vote out of office every congressman, senator and President that stands against the American citizen. IF IT'S NOT TOO LATE.
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Old 08-27-2007, 01:58 AM
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Mexican is not a language,nor a race but a nationallity.
oh and how do you know your ancestors came legally?did you ever see their green cards?
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Old 08-27-2007, 02:05 AM
 
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Most Mexican are descendants of the Aztec peoples. Only about 9% of the Mexican population can be considered white like Vincente Fox. The other 91% of the population is either mestizo or indigenous. There are many Mexicans in the Chiapas region speaking their indigenous language. Although the vast majority of all Mexicans speak Spanish.
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Old 08-27-2007, 02:38 AM
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Most Mexican are descendants of the Aztec peoples. Only about 9% of the Mexican population can be considered white like Vincente Fox. The other 91% of the population is either mestizo or indigenous. There are many Mexicans in the Chiapas region speaking their indigenous language. Although the vast majority of all Mexicans speak Spanish.
Mestizo is mixed between spanish and indigenous.
And the aztecs where the powerful tribe,who dominated the land.
But not the only indians in mexico.

Maya,pai pai,taraumara etc are also present in mexico.
As a matter of fact,it is very rare to see people who look 100% indigenous in the nothern regions of the country like Chihuahua,Baja and Sinaloa

I am mexican,but heres a break down of my blood line:
1/4 pai pai
1/4 Arab
1/4 french and
1/4 italian

So would you consider me a decendant of the aztecs?I dont consider myself a direct decendant,and neither does anyone I know who is originally from mexico.
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Old 08-27-2007, 02:53 AM
 
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You are a definite exception, but it depends on how you look. Most Mexicans do not look European at all in appearance and are hence seen by whites as non-white. Thus, most Mexicans are mestizo, but in reality are virtually all Mexicans are direct descendants of native peoples, including the Aztecs. Very few Mexicans are of mostly European heritage and look white.

Of course there were other indian tribes in Mexico besides the Aztecs - but look at the Mexican flag and even the word Mexico have Aztec origins. So the Aztec influence is there. I think white Christian civilization introduced by the Spaniards is merely just frosting over an indigenous/Aztec/indian/mestizo Mexico.

I think we are going to see in the future an awakening of this, and for lack of a better term, indigenous nationalism in some Latin American countries. The 500 year cycle of Western domination is ending. We already see this happening in Bolivia and perhaps in Venezuela. It would have already happened, and may still, with the Sendero Luminoso and Tupac Amaru in Peru.
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Old 08-27-2007, 03:08 AM
 
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Immigrants have always been an easy target in this country. "We" - the US public are really just playing into the political hands of the powers that be by falling for this same trick again & again. We did the same thing to immigrants during the early part of the 1900's. The language used then & the language now can almost be substituted word for word. Interestingly, a great deal of the political backing of the "illegal immigrant" talk back then was by the KKK.

We don't care to know the truth or look past the way the politicians & media are trying to sway our thoughts & see what is really going on. Nor do we care to know the truth of the past. Much of the west coast of the USA was Mexican land that we took from them - violating an existing treaty that allowed those who had land in those areas to keep it & remain living on it. We took ancestral land from Mexican people & claimed it as our own - kicking people off land that their ancestors had been living on for 100+ years.

There are few, if any of us, who have one iota of an idea what many of those who cross the border to come here & work survive just to get here - nor the conditions they leave behind to try & make a better life for their family. These are people who love their land & their heritage & likely would never leave if they had the economic opportunity to provide for their own. They risk their lives to come here - sacrifice everything - just to serve us our fast food, to pick our crops, or whatever the job is that even our teenagers often will not do. They pay our taxes & our social security - never to be able to reap the benefits because they are considered "illegal".

My grandfather came to this country in the early part of the 1900's from Russia. He was afraid of deportation until the day he died in 1973. I can find no record of him ever having a greencard or applying for citizenship. Not to mention the fact that he would not have qualified for citizenship to begin with because he could not read or write English. My grandfather was a hardworker & escaped harsh circumstances where he came from. To the best of my knowledge, I am the granddaughter of an "illegal alien".

I believe that any person who is willing to be a contributing member of our society should be afforded the right to seek "life, liberty, & the pursuit of happiness" just as we are. I believe that this is a right bestowed by God upon ALL of His children - not just those who were born within the invisible / manmade borders of the United States. I believe that, as little as I have, I am willing to do with just a bit less to allow for someone else in greater need to have just a bit more.

Don't buy into the hype. While everyone is clamouring to kick out the "illegals" - there are real issues happening right under our noses but we're too busy scapegoating the easiest & least powerful targets.

Once again... My 50 cents worth...
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Old 08-27-2007, 03:30 AM
 
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First of all, the cut off in immigration allowed for the US to assimilate all those people and their children. With the New Deal, World War II and after World War II, when there was very little immigration, Americans enjoyed a period of prosperity. Why? because the corporations were no longer able to exploit cheap un-unionized immigrant labor. Today we see labor exploitation of immigrants almost as bad as it was a hundred years ago. We are also seeing the increasing balkanization of American society. We need to take a time out on immigration in order to assimilate all these new people.

Your second point is not exactly the truth. Yes, the area of the US we call the south-west was originally claimed by Mexico which inherited those claims from Spain. But those claims are just that, claims - lines on maps. Hardly any Spaniards or Mexicans lived there. In fact, the Mexicans and the Spanish before them were kept from settling in most of the south-west by the native-Americans. It wasn't until the 1840s-1890s that these areas became settled in any real sense; and the south-west was settled by white Americans.

Your other point about your grandfather is common among the descendants of European immigrants. My grandfather had a similar experience. This is because there were no real immigration restrictions for European immigrants until the Quota Acts of 1921 and 1924 were put in place.

Your last point is well taken, but no one on earth has a right to immigrate to the United States. The people of the United States through their elected representatives in Congress decide who to let in and how many. It is up to us only. We decide what is good for our country and as seen in public opinion polls, and the blockage of Bush's amnesty plan, the American people want to stop illegal immigration and curtail immigration overall.
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Old 08-27-2007, 04:47 AM
 
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Immigrants have always been an easy target in this country. "We" - the US public are really just playing into the political hands of the powers that be by falling for this same trick again & again. We did the same thing to immigrants during the early part of the 1900's. The language used then & the language now can almost be substituted word for word. Interestingly, a great deal of the political backing of the "illegal immigrant" talk back then was by the KKK.

We don't care to know the truth or look past the way the politicians & media are trying to sway our thoughts & see what is really going on. Nor do we care to know the truth of the past. Much of the west coast of the USA was Mexican land that we took from them - violating an existing treaty that allowed those who had land in those areas to keep it & remain living on it. We took ancestral land from Mexican people & claimed it as our own - kicking people off land that their ancestors had been living on for 100+ years.

There are few, if any of us, who have one iota of an idea what many of those who cross the border to come here & work survive just to get here - nor the conditions they leave behind to try & make a better life for their family. These are people who love their land & their heritage & likely would never leave if they had the economic opportunity to provide for their own. They risk their lives to come here - sacrifice everything - just to serve us our fast food, to pick our crops, or whatever the job is that even our teenagers often will not do. They pay our taxes & our social security - never to be able to reap the benefits because they are considered "illegal".

My grandfather came to this country in the early part of the 1900's from Russia. He was afraid of deportation until the day he died in 1973. I can find no record of him ever having a greencard or applying for citizenship. Not to mention the fact that he would not have qualified for citizenship to begin with because he could not read or write English. My grandfather was a hardworker & escaped harsh circumstances where he came from. To the best of my knowledge, I am the granddaughter of an "illegal alien".

I believe that any person who is willing to be a contributing member of our society should be afforded the right to seek "life, liberty, & the pursuit of happiness" just as we are. I believe that this is a right bestowed by God upon ALL of His children - not just those who were born within the invisible / manmade borders of the United States. I believe that, as little as I have, I am willing to do with just a bit less to allow for someone else in greater need to have just a bit more.

Don't buy into the hype. While everyone is clamouring to kick out the "illegals" - there are real issues happening right under our noses but we're too busy scapegoating the easiest & least powerful targets.

Once again... My 50 cents worth...

Sooooo......


Everyone on earth is a US citizen then? Okay. Then draft them in wartime. Make them pay taxes. Make them learn English as a second/first language.

You're support for illegal immigration has zero to do with you simpathizing with the plight of the third world. I too, believe we should help the third world. You're simply trying to rationalize your own lawbreaking and the typical "everybody has the right to everything" attitude of the socialists.
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Old 08-27-2007, 05:15 AM
 
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Sooooo......


Everyone on earth is a US citizen then? Okay. Then draft them in wartime. Make them pay taxes. Make them learn English as a second/first language.

You're support for illegal immigration has zero to do with you simpathizing with the plight of the third world. I too, believe we should help the third world. You're simply trying to rationalize your own lawbreaking and the typical "everybody has the right to everything" attitude of the socialists.


My own lawbreaking? lol

What would that be? Being the descendant of an "illegal evildoer"? You crack me up... I don't so much as speed - folks who know me would be laughing at this one too!!!

BTW... I believe that few things in life are "rights" - But, of those, I believe they are universal to all of God's people. No matter what law man may make - God's law supersedes them all. I'm not quoting from any religious book - only my spiritual belief that there is enough for all of us & because we have sooo much - even our poor in this country are rich by the standards of many other nations - we all have the ability to give just a little to make room for those with far less to have just a little bit more.

You may not agree with me - but I fervently believe that some of the hottest places in hell are going to be reserved for those who allow those amongst us in the greatest need to suffer & struggle when there was so much we all could have done to help those "others" of God's people.
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Old 08-27-2007, 06:55 AM
 
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My own lawbreaking? lol

What would that be? Being the descendant of an "illegal evildoer"? You crack me up... I don't so much as speed - folks who know me would be laughing at this one too!!!

BTW... I believe that few things in life are "rights" - But, of those, I believe they are universal to all of God's people. No matter what law man may make - God's law supersedes them all. I'm not quoting from any religious book - only my spiritual belief that there is enough for all of us & because we have sooo much - even our poor in this country are rich by the standards of many other nations - we all have the ability to give just a little to make room for those with far less to have just a little bit more.

You may not agree with me - but I fervently believe that some of the hottest places in hell are going to be reserved for those who allow those amongst us in the greatest need to suffer & struggle when there was so much we all could have done to help those "others" of God's people.

Some of those people on the sidelines are the very poor in question. Again, I fully agree that it's about damn time we start to address the constant genocides in Africa and starving in Myamnar and human rights abuses in Belarus. But America can't be the global leader in the world if her home base is rotting from the inside.

There is alot we can do, I agree. But America has a right to guard her nest and keep her children safe/taken care of. Becuase it is the American people who heed the call to cleanse the world. It's Americans who stormed Normandy. It's Americans who gave us the concept of civil rights. It's America that stared down the Soviets. It's America that needs to be the leader in human rights.


China? No. They're too busy excecuting their own. Europe? They're going to become the third world themselves. India? Has it's own problems. Russia? See europe.


No...America needs to step up. But for us to continue to help the struggling, we also need to make sure we have the strength to do that. If people are being gunned down in the streets at home (The Newark Three anyone?), then what authority do we have to face down the gunman abroad?
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