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I wish that they'd step back and ask themselves if it's right for illegals of any race (even 100%white) to come to this country, drop a baby and then expect the baby to be an "automatic American".
Of course it's right. It's true.
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Originally Posted by Arjay51
These children didn't ask to be born in the US, either. Since they, by your own analysis, had no choice why should they then be rewarded?
They have to be citizens of some place. It's not a reward. It's a fundamental state of civil status with a history in Anglo-American common law going back more than half a millennium.
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Originally Posted by Oldglory
You can still say that even after Liquid Reigns posted some very compelling evidence that that has never been determined by the Supreme Court along with the qualifying clause "AND" subject to the jurisdiction, etc?
Since Liquid Reigns has his/her head firmly in rectal defilade on that issue, sure. The Supreme Court hasabsolutely determined the issue of birthright citizenship, along with the qualifying clause "and subject to the jurisdiction." They did so 115 years ago no less.
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The real object of the Fourteenth Amendment of the Constitution, in qualifying the words, "All persons born in the United States" by the addition "and subject to the jurisdiction thereof," would appear to have been to exclude, by the fewest and fittest words (besides children of members of the Indian tribes, standing in a peculiar relation to the National Government, unknown to the common law), the two classes of cases -- children born of alien enemies in hostile occupation and children of diplomatic representatives of a foreign State -- both of which, as has already been shown, by the law of England and by our own law from the time of the first settlement of the English colonies in America, had been recognized exceptions to the fundamental rule of citizenship by birth within the country.
Illegals or non-US citizens legally in the US who give birth to a child in the US should NOT be considered an American nor given the passport. One parent should be an American citizen who is a taxpayer in order for a passport to be issued to a child in the US.
Then start your campaign to change the US Constitution. Because for this to become law, that's what you will need.
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Originally Posted by softblueyz
If Americans give birth to a child in Germany, Italy, Switzerland, Austria, Mexico, and just about any other country, would that child be a citizen of said country by virtue of being born there and given a passport? NO!!! That child would be a citizen if one parent was a citizen of said country.
Mexico actually does grant birthright citizenship.
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It's "true" that a gunman slaughtered 20 innocent children and 6 of their teachers in Connecticut, but that certainly didn't make it right. It's "true" that racism and bigotry exists in the world, but, again, that doesn't make it right. Likewise, it is true that our government grants citizenship status to the children of anyone who manages to give birth on our soil, even if their presence is a violation of our laws. But that certainly does not make it right.
Since Liquid Reigns has his/her head firmly in rectal defilade on that issue, sure. The Supreme Court hasabsolutely determined the issue of birthright citizenship, along with the qualifying clause "and subject to the jurisdiction." They did so 115 years ago no less.
Were Wong Kim Ark's parents here illegally? Can you quote a Supreme Court case specifically ruling on the issue of Birthright Citizenship for children born to illegal aliens?
I had to stop reading the comments under that article. It just made me sick. Why is it that these liberal leftists can never debate an issue with civility? They always have to resort to insults, race card pulling and lying rhetoric rather than debating the merit of the bill. I fear for our future if these kinds of people are going to represent a future majority. These people are just plain foaming at the mouth and are acting like adolescents rather than thinking adults.
Since Liquid Reigns has his/her head firmly in rectal defilade on that issue, sure. The Supreme Court hasabsolutely determined the issue of birthright citizenship, along with the qualifying clause "and subject to the jurisdiction." They did so 115 years ago no less.
I had to stop reading the comments under that article. It just made me sick. Why is it that these liberal leftists can never debate an issue with civility? They always have to resort to insults, race card pulling and lying rhetoric rather than debating the merit of the bill. I fear for our future if these kinds of people are going to represent a future majority. These people are just plain foaming at the mouth and are acting like adolescents rather than thinking adults.
Perhaps they'll be satisfied after Iran or another enemy sends women here to give birth with nefarious intent, such as to groom their "U.S. citizen" child to later become POTUS to destroy this country. That is, if it isn't first destroyed by illegal immigration.
And the eyes of almost every respected Constitutional scholar (to include those who reside on the US Supreme Court) who have ever commented on the issue.
At the time of this case, the 1878 Revised Statutes (RS) of the United States were considered positive law of the US, and Title XXV, Section 1992 of the RS stated this concerning citizenship, which is the same wording as found in the 1866 Civil Right Act:
It's "true" that a gunman slaughtered 20 innocent children and 6 of their teachers in Connecticut, but that certainly didn't make it right.
Spectacularly bad analogy.
An expectation is right or wrong based only on whether it turns out to be true. It is an objective assessment with no moral implication.
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