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Old 01-28-2013, 04:53 PM
 
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Why should it ever be considered "unwarranted" to pay attention to people who violate our laws? Isn't that the purpose of law enforcement? I don't understand your objection.
There are people who are technically not breaking the law but who in fact are flushing the country down the toilet. The speculators who have wrought havoc on our markets cost Americans about $20 trillion in lost wealth in the span of about 18 months...I'm concerned about illegal immigration but it's down on my priority list.
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Old 01-28-2013, 04:59 PM
 
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There's never going to be an end to illegal immigration. This problem cannot be stopped, it can only be controlled. This country was founded by people who took extreme risks to get across the Atlantic and to cross the Continental Divide, so in that regard, I think illegal immigrants actually have a lot in common with us, regardless of whether they have legally recognized status in this country.

What I mean by scapegoating, though, is this assumption that illegals are taking away American jobs and destroying the economy, which is nonsense. The economy was destroyed by excess lending and bad borrowing, not illegals. I certainly agree that illegals put a strain on public resources in some communities, and that's something that needs to be addressed. But beyond that, I think the damage caused by illegals is questionable. That can be debated, I suppose, but I'm going to just sidestep that debate and agree to disagree with those who typically visit this forum.
I think we all know that illegal immigration will never be completely stopped but the goal should be to curb it as much as possible. Granting them amnesty again will only encourage the next batch to come for the next amnesty. It will do nothing to curb it. Your historical story has nothing to do with illegal immigration today. Most immigrants back then came here legally. Please explain what you mean that we have something in common with illegal immigrants. Most Americans never were immigrants they were born here as citizens and their ancestors came here legally also. So where is the comparison? The trip over here? Not much of a comparison to make for an argument to justify illegal immigration in my book.

It is nonsense that illegal immigrants are taking American jobs? If they aren't taking American jobs than whose jobs are they taking? Our economy has been destroyed by a few things one of them is illegal immigration. Why would you want to eliminate them from the equasion? There have been so many viable stats posted in here on the costs associated with illegal immigrants that it isn't questionable at all that they have an overall negative impact on our nation. Common sense should tell you that anything unlawful is never a good thing.
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Old 01-28-2013, 07:10 PM
 
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There's never going to be an end to illegal immigration. This problem cannot be stopped, it can only be controlled. This country was founded by people who took extreme risks to get across the Atlantic and to cross the Continental Divide, so in that regard, I think illegal immigrants actually have a lot in common with us, regardless of whether they have legally recognized status in this country.

What I mean by scapegoating, though, is this assumption that illegals are taking away American jobs and destroying the economy, which is nonsense. The economy was destroyed by excess lending and bad borrowing, not illegals. I certainly agree that illegals put a strain on public resources in some communities, and that's something that needs to be addressed. But beyond that, I think the damage caused by illegals is questionable. That can be debated, I suppose, but I'm going to just sidestep that debate and agree to disagree with those who typically visit this forum.
I have a feeling you'll change your opinion in a few years. We have no idea what this will cost. But, it will be staggering, to say the least.
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Old 01-28-2013, 07:14 PM
 
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There are people who are technically not breaking the law but who in fact are flushing the country down the toilet. The speculators who have wrought havoc on our markets cost Americans about $20 trillion in lost wealth in the span of about 18 months...I'm concerned about illegal immigration but it's down on my priority list.
How are illegal aliens "technically" not breaking the law? We can account for that $20 trillion. Sadly, we have no idea the true magnitude of our past, present, or future costs related to illegal immigration. We will soon implode.
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Old 01-28-2013, 07:59 PM
 
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How are illegal aliens "technically" not breaking the law? We can account for that $20 trillion. Sadly, we have no idea the true magnitude of our past, present, or future costs related to illegal immigration. We will soon implode.
Puhlease.

Illegal immigration is merely the definition of a status. I'm not saying illegal immigration doesn't have consequences, but let's not be dramatic. We've had mass migration before, and chances are your own forebears were part of those migrations at one time or another.
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Old 01-28-2013, 08:01 PM
 
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I think we all know that illegal immigration will never be completely stopped but the goal should be to curb it as much as possible. Granting them amnesty again will only encourage the next batch to come for the next amnesty. It will do nothing to curb it. Your historical story has nothing to do with illegal immigration today. Most immigrants back then came here legally. Please explain what you mean that we have something in common with illegal immigrants. Most Americans never were immigrants they were born here as citizens and their ancestors came here legally also. So where is the comparison? The trip over here? Not much of a comparison to make for an argument to justify illegal immigration in my book.

It is nonsense that illegal immigrants are taking American jobs? If they aren't taking American jobs than whose jobs are they taking? Our economy has been destroyed by a few things one of them is illegal immigration. Why would you want to eliminate them from the equasion? There have been so many viable stats posted in here on the costs associated with illegal immigrants that it isn't questionable at all that they have an overall negative impact on our nation. Common sense should tell you that anything unlawful is never a good thing.
Anything unlawful? Some cities have laws against women driving a car in a petticoat - seriously, laws are sometimes just nonsense.

Illegals are probably just taking jobs that Americans don't want or can't do very well. The bureaucracy that is the federal government just can't process their paperwork quickly enough, or the minimum wage laws don't take into account the costs that it takes for specific industries to operate a business.
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Old 01-28-2013, 09:39 PM
 
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Puhlease.

Illegal immigration is merely the definition of a status. I'm not saying illegal immigration doesn't have consequences, but let's not be dramatic. We've had mass migration before, and chances are your own forebears were part of those migrations at one time or another.
Merely a definition of a status? Are you suggesting their lawlessness is inconsequential? Do our laws mean nothing?

Yes, we have had mass immigration before, during a period when we needed immigrants. But, this level of massive illegal immigration is unprecedented. And, we certainly don't need millions of uneducated, low-skilled people. We already have more than enough. No drama, just facts.

None of my family entered this country illegally. In fact, the majority were born here, the exception being my two maternal great-grandparents who entered through Ellis Island by the authority of the U.S. Government. Prior to that, my ancestors arrived hundreds of years ago on slave ships, and even their offspring were born here. So, the only "immigrants" were the original slaves and two great-grandparents, none of which is even remotely related to illegal immigration.
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Old 01-28-2013, 09:45 PM
 
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Anything unlawful? Some cities have laws against women driving a car in a petticoat - seriously, laws are sometimes just nonsense.

Illegals are probably just taking jobs that Americans don't want or can't do very well. The bureaucracy that is the federal government just can't process their paperwork quickly enough, or the minimum wage laws don't take into account the costs that it takes for specific industries to operate a business.
Nonsense. That pro-amnesty myth has been debunked so many times it would bore me to elaborate. Google, if you honestly don't know the truth.
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Old 01-29-2013, 03:48 AM
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Old 01-29-2013, 08:30 AM
 
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Anything unlawful? Some cities have laws against women driving a car in a petticoat - seriously, laws are sometimes just nonsense.

Illegals are probably just taking jobs that Americans don't want or can't do very well. The bureaucracy that is the federal government just can't process their paperwork quickly enough, or the minimum wage laws don't take into account the costs that it takes for specific industries to operate a business.
Yes, sometimes laws are but how are our immigration laws nonsense? Please, I are you saying that Americans won't do and never have done construction work, hospitality work, restaurant work and any number of blue-collar jobs in this country. You know better than that.
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