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Old 03-10-2013, 11:49 AM
 
Location: California
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If you remove tax dollars then it becomes charity and private education. The Supreme Court in Plyler v. Doe stated that it is far better for society to have an educated populace.
The SCOTUS did not state that. What they stated is
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The "American people have always regarded education and [the] acquisition of knowledge as matters of supreme importance." Meyer v. Nebraska, 262 U.S. 390, 400 (1923).
SCOTUS states that
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To be sure, like all persons who have entered the United States unlawfully, these children are subject to deportation. 8 U.S.C. §§ 1251 1252 (1976 ed. and Supp. IV). But there is no assurance that a child subject to deportation will ever be deported. An illegal entrant might be granted federal permission to continue to reside in this country, or even to become a citizen. See, e.g., 8 U.S.C. §§ 1252 1253(h), 1254 (1976 ed. and Supp. IV).
SCOTUS also clearly states that the EPC doesn't allow
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a State cannot realistically determine that any particular undocumented child will in fact be deported until after deportation proceedings have been completed.
SCOTUS then concludes with
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If the State is to deny a discrete group of innocent children the free public education that it offers to other children residing within its borders, that denial must be justified by a showing that it furthers some substantial state interest. No such showing was made here.
Plyler v. Doe

What you have said in your comment isn't what the SCOTUS states at all.

You're attributing something to SCOTUS that isn't there.
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Old 03-10-2013, 11:58 AM
 
Location: Tuscaloosa, AL
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If you remove tax dollars then it becomes charity and private education. The Supreme Court in Plyler v. Doe stated that it is far better for society to have an educated populace.
Even if this were true, where does that justify compulsory education? Of course an educated populace leads to a better society. Does that mean only the State can provide it, using tax dollars?
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Old 03-10-2013, 01:03 PM
 
Location: texas
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The SCOTUS did not state that. What they stated isSCOTUS states thatSCOTUS also clearly states that the EPC doesn't allow SCOTUS then concludes withPlyler v. Doe

What you have said in your comment isn't what the SCOTUS states at all.

You're attributing something to SCOTUS that isn't there.
did you the read the majority oppinions? Read the majority oppinions and then say that wasn't part[stated] of their reasoning on Plyler v doe.
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Old 03-10-2013, 02:05 PM
 
Location: California
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did you the read the majority oppinions? Read the majority oppinions and then say that wasn't part[stated] of their reasoning on Plyler v doe.
I quoted the opinon of Brennan, I even gave the conclusion of Brennan and linked to the actual Opinion.

It was SCOTUS simply stating that it is the American people that regard education and [the] acquisition of knowledge as matters of supreme importance. Plyler is an EPC case against the state, not a ruling that stated that it is far better for society to have an educated populace.
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Old 03-10-2013, 02:50 PM
 
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Please don't hijack my thread!

What about an open border but they could not collect any welfare and would have to fill out a form to apply to stay but they could come in as long as they registered.??
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Old 03-10-2013, 03:04 PM
 
Location: California
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Please don't hijack my thread!

What about an open border but they could not collect any welfare and would have to fill out a form to apply to stay but they could come in as long as they registered.??
Is education not an issue? Property tax pays for schools, if these people wander in with their children, who is actually paying for their education? Certainly not the "immigrant".

If anything, the way visas are issued should be changed.
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Old 03-10-2013, 07:19 PM
 
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Please don't hijack my thread!

What about an open border but they could not collect any welfare and would have to fill out a form to apply to stay but they could come in as long as they registered.??
NO "open border" with Mexico or any other poor country. If they get it together; maybe.
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Old 03-10-2013, 07:28 PM
 
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Is education not an issue? Property tax pays for schools, if these people wander in with their children, who is actually paying for their education? Certainly not the "immigrant".

If anything, the way visas are issued should be changed.
Not only that but if they were allowed to come here in uncontrolled numbers just as long as they registered where are all these jobs going to come from to support themselves? Uncontrolled population growth would also stress out our natural and social resources and cause even more crowded conditions in our schools, jails and hospitals. I swear some people just don't think through their crazy, liberal ideas.
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Old 03-11-2013, 03:38 AM
 
Location: texas
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I quoted the opinon of Brennan, I even gave the conclusion of Brennan and linked to the actual Opinion.

It was SCOTUS simply stating that it is the American people that regard education and [the] acquisition of knowledge as matters of supreme importance. Plyler is an EPC case against the state, not a ruling that stated that it is far better for society to have an educated populace.
When you have time or wish to... read the opinion[s]. take your time.
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Old 03-11-2013, 06:06 AM
 
Location: S.F. Bay Area, CA
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Not only that but if they were allowed to come here in uncontrolled numbers just as long as they registered where are all these jobs going to come from to support themselves?]

There are insufficient [living wage] jobs for the uneducated, illiterate, unacculturated, impoverished flood of illegals coming to California, thus the need for multiple Social Services, and pursuit of financially rewarding crime.



Uncontrolled population growth would also stress out our natural and social resources and cause even more crowded conditions in our schools, jails and hospitals
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Over 80% of our illegals arrive from Mexico and Central America bringing disease, [I.E., hepatitis B and C, Chagas disease, Babeiseosis, treatment resistant TB], dysfunction, barrio squalor wherever they settle, [often multiple families in 2 bedroom Sec8 units], an unwillingness to learn/use English, to emphasize their childrens' educational endeavors, and in general, properly assimilate.
Central Valley and Northern California counties are in budgetary crisis, and I don't see a way out, given BHO's obsessive agenda aimed at bringing down this hated country, [read his books], after which he will escape to a newly acquired 35 million dollar other-worldly Hawaiian estate, [another dodgy Obama real estate deal, half financed by a generous donor], leaving us tax paying schmoos to sort out the mess.
In our Northern California high illegal alien areas, indigent legals and illegals overwhelm Emergency Departments, utilizing ERs for minor complaints as if they are doctors' offices. As a result, bankrupt hospitals, Emergency service closures. Latino kids show up at school with NO English, NO health history with evidence of inoculations. hence, heretofore USA massive inoculation rendered "herd immunity" diseases resurface.
New border crossing families require immediate housing and social services, even though the dishonest gov't claims "no social services for illegals," and worst of all, in no time they learn how to "scam the system," i.e., share SS#s, lie about their citizenship status, claim IRS multiple, non-existent dependents, steal identities, and generally take the low road to criminality because that is where the $$$ is. Immigrant crime and gang activity simply swamp our already overstressed law enforcement agencies and prisons.
Does everyone realize that we have a president who will not allow ICE to do its job? A co-worker of mine's ICE employed husband just took early retirement because of outrage and frustration at being hamstrung, unable to do his job of enforcing existing immigration laws of this once great country.
We need border security NOW.
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