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Old 01-27-2009, 08:59 AM
 
Location: Mesa, Az
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Another irrelevant post by AB.
Considering the growing efforts to toss the ilegal aliens out of the USA........I think not.
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Old 01-27-2009, 01:01 PM
 
Location: Maryland
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The change in protocol to make it quite easy to sign up and be eligible for this program while not really being eligible is a huge problem. There was no reason to change the eligibility rules as part of this expansion of this program. The end effect is that a lot of people who shouldn't be entitled to the program will end up being eligible for it.

We are already dealing with people who are evading the laws; this is just another area where they will get benefits at tax payer expense. Why is this bill making it easier for this to occur?

It would be nice if the legislature could simply have a bill that directs healthcare specifically and reasonably to children legally in the country and to a reasonable parental income level. The goals of the bill are reasonable, but the implementation will leave illegal immigrants accessing yet another government program.

When this is law, the loop holes that are deliberately engineered in this bill will allow abuse and likely rampant abuse.
As stated. This will simply be another benefit illegal aliens will manipulate through fraudulent means, and yet another magnet for illegal immigration. I don’t understand why anyone with an IQ over 70, would expect people who circumvent ALL U.S. laws, to choose to ‘play by the rules’ on this particular issue.

There will indeed be rampant abuse; and true to form, there will be lax governmental oversight. They won’t know ‘who’ is receiving these benefits, anymore than they know ‘where’ the billions have gone in the bank bailouts.
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Old 01-27-2009, 01:13 PM
 
Location: AL
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I find it funny that Nancy "the nut" Pelosi is trying to slow Americas child birth rate down because its cost to much for the fedaral govt but she and her Liberal pals do nothing about illegals and there kids.

Like I say..This country is spinning out of control and were all sitting by and watching it.
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Old 01-27-2009, 05:10 PM
 
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It is quite interesting that President Obama is purportedly making the SCHIP expansion a priority. As some authors point out, this expansion of this program, costing tax payers $35 billion, would give health insurance to illegal aliens, along side children from families (some of whom could make up to $100,000 annually and still qualify).

The House of Representatives passed this bill on January 14, and the Senate will be working on this.

A couple of links to this story include:
Obama poised to give insurance to illegals
The Hill’s Blog Briefing Room » Obama Praises SCHIP Expansion, Pledges to Sign

This link by George Will is quite interesting:
New SCHIP expansion is mission gallop

Although a little more radical source, the information is interesting, along with a history of wanting to not exclude illegal immigrants:
200901183359 | Obama Extends Healthcare to Illegal Aliens | / | Editorial (http://www.rightsidenews.com/200901183359/editorial/obama-extends-healthcare-to-illegal-aliens.html - broken link)

As a healthcare provider; I guess it is better to be paid for federally mandated medical care (Emergency Departments are required by federal law to stabilize and treat all people presenting to them, regardless of ability to pay and are also required to provide medically trained translators).

I have nothing personally against the children of illegal immigrants individually, but as a group, they cost society a great deal.

The overwhelming problem is that illegal immigrants need to be repatriated to their rightful homes. The continued notion of supplying services to the entire world; despite being broke at home and not able to provide for our own, is insane.

Excluding illegal immigrants from such a plan should never even be an issue; the issue is, upon detection of an illegal immigrant, they should be sent home. Making specific provisions that state illegal immigrants have rights to this SCHIP expansion is unfortunate. Why legal residents and tax payers are not throwing a fit is amazing.
What is a few billion dollars if it will bring health to a lot of people that need it, regardless of under what circumstances they live in the US, but if they are here, they should be treated with humanity. I support president Obama fully. It looks, however, like he is not going to do much for immigration reform.
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Old 01-27-2009, 05:23 PM
 
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What is a few billion dollars if it will bring health to a lot of people that need it, regardless of under what circumstances they live in the US, but if they are here, they should be treated with humanity. I support president Obama fully. It looks, however, like he is not going to do much for immigration reform.
As long as said billions are the dollars of the 3rd world countries they fled, other than needing to go home and let their own government and oligarchies pay for the results of their incessantly abundant breeding habits, I don't see a problem at all.
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Old 01-27-2009, 05:26 PM
 
Location: Maryland
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What is a few billion dollars if it will bring health to a lot of people that need it, regardless of under what circumstances they live in the US, but if they are here, they should be treated with humanity. I support president Obama fully. It looks, however, like he is not going to do much for immigration reform.
What’s a few billion dollars? It’s always easier to spend money when you don’t have to earn it. Why do you believe illegal aliens are entitled to the money U.S. taxpayers have earned? Moreover, how does the denial of tax-funded health benefits to illegal aliens qualify as inhumane? We are obligated to take care of our own; not everyone who manages to slither across our borders.
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Old 01-27-2009, 05:30 PM
 
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What’s a few billion dollars? It’s always easier to spend money when you don’t have to earn it. Why do you believe illegal aliens are entitled to the money U.S. taxpayers have earned? Moreover, how does the denial of tax-funded health benefits to illegal aliens qualify as inhumane? We are obligated to take care of our own; not everyone who manages to slither across our borders.
I mean, that's instead of going all over the world creating wars.
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Old 01-27-2009, 05:42 PM
 
Location: Maryland
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I mean, that's instead of going all over the world creating wars.
You still didn’t answer my question regarding inhumane treatment. Furthermore, when have we gone “all over the world” creating wars?
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Old 01-27-2009, 06:55 PM
 
Location: Mesa, Az
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What is a few billion dollars if it will bring health to a lot of people that need it, regardless of under what circumstances they live in the US, but if they are here, they should be treated with humanity. I support president Obama fully. It looks, however, like he is not going to do much for immigration reform.
Try again.

We (the USA) is hurting right now and if you are here illegally----------you had best beat it.
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Old 01-27-2009, 08:58 PM
 
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Where in the bill does it say that? Your arguments of fear and predicting the future of how this program is going to work still doesn't hold any water.
How dare you, show this irrevocable evidence here???
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