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Old 09-17-2009, 10:41 PM
 
Location: MIA
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Yes you are right. The bank accounts is to prevent them from being abused(many carried cash that was stolen)

it's true about the fake SSNs

What I don't get is what the government does with those taxes collected? I doubt those numbers belong to a person who is alive because they would get a 1099 and would have to report the earnings the illegal guy got. It must be dead people or SSN not issued yet. the IRS has to know what's going on and some corrupted official is probably banking on it.
The truth is, nobody knows how they can get millions of SS #'s illegally. The scary part is that Republicans AND Democrats have turned a blind eye to this since the early 80's...
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Old 09-17-2009, 10:45 PM
 
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The truth is, nobody knows how they can get millions of SS #'s illegally. The scary part is that Republicans AND Democrats have turned a blind eye to this since the early 80's...
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/04/05/bu...migration.html

When it pumps billions of dollars into the Social Security system, I can see why the politicians turned a blind eye.
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Old 09-18-2009, 05:40 AM
 
Location: Pa
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http://www.nytimes.com/2005/04/05/bu...migration.html

When it pumps billions of dollars into the Social Security system, I can see why the politicians turned a blind eye.
Please. The article is a blatent pro-illegal crying towl. How do they know most do pay taxes when the Gov admits that it does not even know how many actual illegals are here?
For the sake of argument lets pretend that the NY Times is even close to accurate. Are we supposed to feel bad for criminals using stolen ID's? For criminals who have so little respect for our country and our laws that they knowingly violate our laws daily?
What is not mentioned. If those illegals were not here low balling wages then legal citizens and residents would be doing those jobs and the taxes would be paid anyway. Add to this the fact that the wages would reflect a higher standard and more taxes would be paid still.
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Old 09-18-2009, 07:27 AM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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This notion that the grand majority of illegals are paid below minimum wage is ridiculous... ALL major chains/franchises and most non-agricultural businesses have to fill out W-2's for their employees, have workers comp. insurance, and have to pay withholding taxes on their illegal employees.

How do they do this?

Simple. Fake social security cards bought across state lines. Most illegals in Chicagoland buy S.S. cards in Wisconsin.

No they don't!! Your are so misinformed. A little more education for you.

Those things you list do not apply to subcontract labor(1099, not a W-2), or in other words, mislabeling your employees as subcontract labor. To skate the Federal tax, State tax, workman comp, unemployment social security and other associated cost of real employees. This has been going on for 40 years, to Americans, so it is very easy and the preferred method, for illegal aliens working for you.

They don't get in trouble for hiring illegal aliens, because they say they hired another company(subcontract), not an individual like what really happened.
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Old 09-18-2009, 07:41 AM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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What is not mentioned. If those illegals were not here low balling wages then legal citizens and residents would be doing those jobs and the taxes would be paid anyway. Add to this the fact that the wages would reflect a higher standard and more taxes would be paid still.
If we were on a level playing field in the global FREE trade market, the companies here would not be trying to make it a level playing field, by turning America into a third world country, like those that were are now competing with very low labor compensation.

Sky high tariffs, and companies here would not have to search or hire the lowest paid, and no benefits to its workers. We could get back to how it was in the 60's, before tariffs were dropped, where jobs were respected and you made a livable wage, along with a nice health and benefit package, for even the guy pumping your gas, back then.
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Old 09-18-2009, 11:24 AM
 
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You could argue that the way the article was written was sympathetic to illegals, but the actual facts have not been disputed.

Illegals really do pump money in the social security system. That was my point.

And, no, they are not, and should not be entitled to any of what they contribute.

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Please. The article is a blatent pro-illegal crying towl. How do they know most do pay taxes when the Gov admits that it does not even know how many actual illegals are here?
For the sake of argument lets pretend that the NY Times is even close to accurate. Are we supposed to feel bad for criminals using stolen ID's? For criminals who have so little respect for our country and our laws that they knowingly violate our laws daily?
What is not mentioned. If those illegals were not here low balling wages then legal citizens and residents would be doing those jobs and the taxes would be paid anyway. Add to this the fact that the wages would reflect a higher standard and more taxes would be paid still.
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Old 09-18-2009, 12:04 PM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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I would really like one to argue, they pump more into our government, then they suck out.

The math is saying one thing, and the bleeding hearts are trying to spin another.
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Old 09-18-2009, 01:30 PM
 
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I would really like one to argue, they pump more into our government, then they suck out.

The math is saying one thing, and the bleeding hearts are trying to spin another.
I found a similar debate described by Snopes: snopes.com: Just One State - Cost of Illegals in Los Angeles

Donald Huddle, a Rice University economist, argued that immigrants, legal and illegal, take more than they give. UC Davis directly criticized Huddle's study and said that immigrants give more than they take. The Urban Institute published a study saying that they give more than they take.
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Old 09-18-2009, 03:14 PM
 
Location: MIA
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The Urban Institute published a study saying that they give more than they take.
Of course the Urban Institute would say that. Most of the studies organizations like that release are underwritten by La Raza and Cesar Chavez type interest groups.
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Old 09-18-2009, 05:54 PM
 
Location: Mesa, Az
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Of course the Urban Institute would say that. Most of the studies organizations like that release are underwritten by La Raza and Cesar Chavez type interest groups.
And the sickening irony was that Mr Chavez was extremely anti illegal immigration----------to the point of calling the old INS (ICE) on illegals back in the day to protect American field hands of Mexican lineage from being undercut.
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