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Originally Posted by chicagonut
Bullies from Europe? Try reading all of history about the past which includes the acts of savageness by the so-called true Americans against the white settlers who weren't always the agressors.
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Your repetition of an old racist stereotype about "savageness" is disappointing.
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Originally Posted by chicagonut
The decent way to take over? No, it is the cowards way by violating internationally known borders in today's modern world and dropping anchors all over the place.
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If we accepted your premise that immigration was based on a grandiose ethnic scheme (though once again, I dare you to voice similar concerns about Jews), the practice of illegal entry and alleged welfare theft is roughly akin to Pilgrim-Wampanoag relations in New England.
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Originally Posted by chicagonut
If your goal is ever accomplished the white man and every other U.S. citizen should rip up all the improvements made in this country since it was established as the U.S. and then you can go back to hunting buffalo and living in t-pees.
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This is based on the traditional white supremacist fiction of across-the-board European sophistication overcoming across-the-board European primitiveness. It is anthropologically and historically inaccurate, since there were various Indian urban cities, such as Teotihuacan, Cahokia, and Tenochtitlan, that rivaled or surpassed the population size and density of contemporaneous European cities. The most important issue, however, is that you are ignoring
opportunity cost. Unless your premise is that Amerindians would have remained in a perpetual state of frozen development after 1492, which is inexplicable, you have to consider not their development at that stage, but
what it would have been in the absence of European presence, which would have bolstered the population by about 95% and the territory owned in the United States alone by more than 97%. The reason that residence in teepees even existed for some was because their population had been devastated by disease epidemics!
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Originally Posted by chicagonut
The Mexicans whose tribal ancestors were from south of our border have no beef with the U.S. nor any claims to it.
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You keep mentioning "Mexicans" and "tribal ancestors," but Mesoamerican immigrants are descended from urban peoples that should not be called "tribes" unless Europeans at the same stage of development are also called "tribes." And they do certainly have contentions with the U.S. government; the U.S. government has profited from their poverty through trade alliances with the Mexican government that harm them first, as the victims of colonialism.
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Originally Posted by chicagonut
If the descendants of the tribal ancestors indigenous to THIS country have a beef with the U.S. over the past, we certainly aren't seeing it on a grand scale. They have all the rights and priviledges of every other U.S. citizen and have their soveirgn lands.
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This is an absurd comment, misspellings aside. I illustrated the territory loss of more than 97% and the current status as the poorest ethnic group in the country. That is the basis for such separatist movement as the
Republic of Lakotah.
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Originally Posted by chicagonut
Mexico and Mexicans will never take this country over with babies in a coward's war or establish their beloved Aztlan here and those natives indigenous to THIS country will never go along with it. It is only a wet dream by the Mexica movement and other reconquista organizations. No reconquista, hey?
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"Aztlan" and "reconquista," in its current conspiracy theory status, is a racist propaganda tool akin to the propaganda promoted by Father Charles Coughlin against Jews and by various populist sources against Japanese during the Second World War. It was the cause of their internment in the U.S. It is also accomplished by crude blurring of lines so that one homogenous ethnic group is presented as the enemy. For example, you call the Mexica Movement a "reconquista organization" despite the fact that it is a pan-Indian movement that
explicitly opposes this idiotic and nonsensical "reconquista" on their front page. Why would they support the extension of the power of the white-dominated Mexican government? Why would any Indian migrant laborers? This "reconquista" nonsense is counterintuitive, and why don't you mention neo-Confederate propaganda as evidence that "the south will rise again" just as often as you babble about the "reconquista"?
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Originally Posted by chicagonut
Videos don't lie. See below.
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I'm going to set you a little task: Present to me definitive evidence that there is a maniacal ethnic plot to annex the Southwest and return it to the control of the Mexican government that is supported by the majority of Indian migrant laborers. Also explain for me how the counter-intuitive nature of this premise is overcome.
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Originally Posted by chicagonut
The descendants of the tribal ancestors of the Mexicans are not indigenous to this country so there is no way they could be inheriting it from anyone. I don't see any uprising in this country from the descendants of the tribes that were indigenous to THIS country.
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LOL. Actually, you've put your foot in your mouth with this one, because the descendants of the "tribal ancestors of the Mexicans" actually
are those with the greatest ethnic and regional commonality with U.S. tribes, given their presence in the Mexican north. The Tohono O'odham and several Apache tribes are examples.
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Originally Posted by chicagonut
I don't see them outnumbering whites or blacks by high birthrates and making any attempts to take over non-tribal lands.
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This is a racist ethnic-based conspiracy theory. Why don't you share your parallel wisdom that Jews are attempting to do the same, to steer funding to the American Jewish Congress so that Israel can take over, and see the response that earns you?
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If you have knowledge of this, please share it with us. Otherwise we aren't even talking about the same thing. The U.S. and Mexico are two separate countries and so are their past residents.
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They are two European colonial entities.
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No group of people are inheritors of this entire continent. The Mexicans had their own tribal lands in Mexico and the U.S. tribes had theirs on this land. Try telling the Apache and Comanche, etc. that modern day Mexicans have a right to enter the U.S. or their sovereign lands and take up residence and they will laugh in your face.
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am an Apache, a real one, unlike the one-drops. The Apaches
were on "Mexican" territory, in large part. Perhaps you've heard of someone called Geronimo? While born to the Bedonkohe band of the Chiricahua Apache tribe, he resided with Chief Juh of the Nedhni band in the Sierra Madre Occidental in Chihuahua,
in Mexico. His first wife, Alope, was of that band. When he left the San Carlos Agency numerous times, he went back to the Sierra Madre, and was pursued there by Generals Crook and Miles in their expeditions,
into Mexico. The Chiricahuas are considered the fiercest Apache tribe, and the Nedhni the fiercest Chiricahua band, so your claim is that the quintessential Apache raiders that lived in Mexico are somehow not real?
The Mescalero Apaches are also present in Chihuahua, and the Lipan Apaches ranged as far south as Nuevo Leon and Tamaulipas, after they were expelled from Texas by the Comanches. This apparent doctrine of a division between our indigenous nations on the basis of your European colonial boundaries is absolute bunk.
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Originally Posted by chicagonut
Sure thing, just as long as latin america understands that fences divide neighbors and that each side has their own soveign land. As soon as they understand that we'll consider them our allies. The ball is in their park now. Good neighbors respect their neighbor's private property. They don't trespass on it at will.
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"Latin America" is not a person. Why don't you ever mention the Guatemalan "reconquista" of Chiapas, or the Mexican "reconquista" of all of Central America? You inexplicably present all Mesoamerican immigrants as Mexican nationalists because the crudity of racist thought depicts them as "all the same."
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Originally Posted by chicagonut
No, what I am saying is they (the illegal Mexicans and their ethnocentric advocates) can start from scratch then and build this country back up all by themselves then. We ain't leaving nothing behind that we Americans of all ethnicities have built already.
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You've forgotten the issue of opportunity cost.
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Originally Posted by lifelongMOgal
US tribal activist have found it is a moneymaker to sell tribal memberships. It used to be that proof of blood lineage was a requirement for tribal membership. Now, anyone wanting to immigrate or already here illegally can purchase a tribal membership and thus citizenship to a "soverign nation" for about $50. Native Americans do this at their own perile. They make a mockery out of their "sovereign nation" status in the opinion of those non-activists who follow the old rules of blood lineage membership.
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Feel free to present evidence that this is a routine uniform practice among registered Native American tribes in the U.S.
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