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Old 05-19-2010, 02:07 PM
 
Location: Yucaipa, California
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Default Ca Deficit & The Illegals

The ca deficit is 20 billion dollars & the illegals are costing ca 10.5 billion per yr. Why wont the idiot politicians do something about this ?

 
Old 05-19-2010, 02:15 PM
 
Location: Sierra Nevada Land, CA
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The ca deficit is 20 billion dollars & the illegals are costing ca 10.5 billion per yr. Why wont the idiot politicians do something about this ?
How exactly are illegals costing CA $10.5B?

They can't get welfare, Medi-Cal or Food Stamps.

It is easy to just spout a number, but facts are better.
 
Old 05-19-2010, 02:21 PM
 
Location: Mission Viejo, CA / San Rafael, CA
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How much of that is offset by me being able to buy Carrots at 14 cents a pound because of cheap labor from illegals?
 
Old 05-19-2010, 02:38 PM
 
Location: Yucaipa, California
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How exactly are illegals costing CA $10.5B?

They can't get welfare, Medi-Cal or Food Stamps.

It is easy to just spout a number, but facts are better.
Health care and education. YES...they can get food stamps. Food stamps is federal but handled by the state.
 
Old 05-19-2010, 02:59 PM
 
Location: Sierra Nevada Land, CA
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Health care and education. YES...they can get food stamps. Food stamps is federal but handled by the state.
Umm...not so.

http://www.dss.cahwnet.gov/foodstamp...df/fsman4a.pdf

Food Stamp Regulations

63-405 CITIZENSHIP OR ELIGIBLE NONCITIZEN STATUS 63-405[/LEFT][/SIZE]
CWDs shall limit participation in the Food Stamp Program to individuals who are either United States (U.S.) citizens or eligible noncitizens.]For the purpose of qualifying as a U.S. citizen, the U.S. shall be defined as the 50 states and the District of Columbia, Puerto Rico, Guam, and the Virgin Islands.

.1 A noncitizen who is a lawful resident of the U.S. and meets any of the following requirements is eligible for participation in the federal Food Stamp Program (FSP)
Section 63-405.11 qualified noncitizen and Section 63-405.12 Indefinite Eligibility
.11 A QUALIFIED NONCITIZEN IS:
.111 A person who is lawfully admitted to the U.S. for permanent residence under the Immigration and Nationality Act (INA).

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Old 05-19-2010, 03:10 PM
 
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How are they costing us that much when they contribute their labor to our biggest outsourced industry? How much would it cost us to hire minimum wage workers to work in the fields and factories? We'd have a 40 Billion dollar deficit. Of course they won';t do anything illegals are making companies billions with their cheap labor.
 
Old 05-19-2010, 03:16 PM
 
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The ca deficit is 20 billion dollars & the illegals are costing ca 10.5 billion per yr. Why wont the idiot politicians do something about this ?
Let's assume your numbers are correct: 10 billion dollars cost by the illegals. They're consuming resources and not paying into the system. That's the argument, right?

Solution: legalize the illegals, then let them pay taxes. The 10 billion that they are consuming in services will now be recovered in the form of taxes.

You've just cut the deficit by half.
 
Old 05-19-2010, 03:21 PM
 
Location: Mission Viejo, CA / San Rafael, CA
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What about my 14 cent/pound carrots?
 
Old 05-19-2010, 03:35 PM
 
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What about my 14 cent/pound carrots?
Without the crutch of cheap labor, there would be even more incentive to mechanize and push costs even father down. I saw something a long time about about how ancient Greece basically had the steam engine but since they had plenty of slaves, there wasn't much need for labor saving devices, and the invention never went anywhere. Imagine how much farther along we'd be if the industrial revolution had begun 2,000 years ago. Look at Japan today. They have a lot of old people and not enough young people to take care of them. Now look at the advances they're making in robotics. As the old saying goes, necessity is the mother of invention. Don't fear for your cheap carrots.
 
Old 05-19-2010, 03:37 PM
 
Location: Mission Viejo, CA / San Rafael, CA
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I don't know if I want terminator touching my produce, I also don't know "how much further" along we actually are as a species. We are on the brink of self-inflicted extinction, the Greeks, Romans, and Byzantines never had to worry about that.
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