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3 - God has not any son or daughter:
God Most Gracious has not any son: He is not human with sexual lust; He is Eternal and Everlasting Who does not die: He does not need any son or daughter.
God - be glorified - said in the Quran 6: 101
بَدِيعُ السَّمَاوَاتِ وَالأَرْضِ أَنَّى يَكُونُ لَهُ وَلَدٌ وَلَمْ تَكُن لَّهُ صَاحِبَةٌ وَخَلَقَ كُلَّ شَيْءٍ وهُوَ بِكُلِّ شَيْءٍ عَلِيمٌ
The explanation:
(And they impute to Him sons and daughters with no true fact.
Glorified be He and highly exalted above [all the sons and daughters] that they attribute [to God.]
The Originator of the heavens and the earth!
How should there be any child for Him, seeing that He has no wife, and He created all things
[so if He had had any child, He would have told people about that],
So if each person is distinct, and each is divine (i.e. fully God, as opposed to just 1/3 God) it sounds to me like three Gods. Any statement to the contrary is contradictory. I mean what on earth is a "divine person" if not a God? I can totally understand why Muslims see the Christian Trinity as polytheism.
It's 3 persons, 1 God. they are not 3 Gods. I also can understand the misunderstanding. Anyone that doesn't care to study the Bible on it can easily miss this. It's a bit heady.
3 - God has not any son or daughter:
God Most Gracious has not any son: He is not human with sexual lust; He is Eternal and Everlasting Who does not die: He does not need any son or daughter.
Again...Christians hold to this same belief. God the Son is not a created being and is eternal. He is not the product of a physical relationship.
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Originally Posted by eanassir
The doctrine of the "man-god" is not revealed in any heavenly revelation of any prophet before the appearance of this doctrine of Christians.
The Prophet Isaiah prophesied about the Messiah, calling him "Mighty God'. David wrote in the Psalms "The Lord said to my Lord..." indicating the Messiah was to be God.
God the Son is eternal and has always existed. He is God. He became man in the incarnation.
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God had not revealed to any prophet that he has any son or any man-part.
He doesn't have a physical son. But we do read in Genesis where he says "Let us make man in "OUR" image. " God has eternally been 3 persons, 1 God.
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Such doctrine of the man-god and that God has a son is only derived from the available gospels.
And the prophets, and historical books of the Old Testament that hint at a Trinitarian view of God.
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It does not depend on any logical or reasonable basis; but only they say: it is our faith: we believe as such.
All this is because of the enthusiasm about Prophet Jesus - salam be to him.
And yes, the enthusiasm is rejected in the Quran, and yes: the doctrine of the man-god and the son of God is firmly rejected in the Quran.
You call Jesus a prophet. Does a prophet lie? Does a prophet falsely claim to be God?
The Prophet Isaiah prophesied about the Messiah, calling him "Mighty God'.
David wrote in the Psalms "The Lord said to my Lord..." indicating the Messiah was to be God.
Generally, there is not anything in the Books revealed to the prophets that God has any son or any man part. And it can't be that a prophet tells his people: there is any god that is mighty other than God Almighty.
But only these two qutations:
While it is the translation, and the word "god" and "lord" has many synonyms and word usage: it means here in the Prophet Isaiah words: a hero or a man endowed with powerful spiritual and moral criteria, but yet he is only the servant of God: like all other people.
And in the words of Prophet David: The Lord God said to my lord (: i.e. master) indicating the high esteem of Jesus rank among the prophets like Noah, Abraham, Moses and Mohammed (and the Mahdi: the Paraclite or Elia of the Last Days.)
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Originally Posted by TheoGeek
God the Son is eternal and has always existed. He is God. He became man in the incarnation.
There is nothing to prove this other than the words of the present GospelS.
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Originally Posted by TheoGeek
He doesn't have a physical son. But we do read in Genesis where he says "Let us make man in "OUR" image. " God has eternally been 3 persons, 1 God.
Again, there is no proof of this, other than giving the words meaning more than its simple meaning.
And it can't be God Who created the entire universe with its galaxies and tremendous creation and then He is like to any of His creatures.
And the prophets, and historical books of the Old Testament that hint at a Trinitarian view of God.
There isn't anything like that; and you cannot base your doctrine on "hints".
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Originally Posted by TheoGeek
You call Jesus a prophet. Does a prophet lie? Does a prophet falsely claim to be God?
Again you returned to depend on the available GospelS.
And it can't be that God sends any apostle or prophet then the latter tells people: Worship me instead of God or together with God.
But the apostle tells people: Worship God alone and teach people the First Commandment in particular in addition to all the other Commandments of God.
And see this in the Quran 3: 79-80 مَا كَانَ لِبَشَرٍ أَن يُؤْتِيَهُ اللّهُ الْكِتَابَ وَالْحُكْمَ وَالنُّبُوَّةَ ثُمَّ يَقُولَ لِلنَّاسِ كُونُواْ عِبَادًا لِّي مِن دُونِ اللّهِ وَلَـكِن كُونُواْ رَبَّانِيِّينَ بِمَا كُنتُمْ تُعَلِّمُونَ الْكِتَابَ وَبِمَا كُنتُمْ تَدْرُسُونَ وَلاَ يَأْمُرَكُمْ أَن تَتَّخِذُواْ الْمَلاَئِكَةَ وَالنِّبِيِّيْنَ أَرْبَابًا أَيَأْمُرُكُم بِالْكُفْرِ بَعْدَ إِذْ أَنتُم مُّسْلِمُونَ
The explanation:
(It is not for any man that God should give him the Scripture, the judging [of people with justice] and the prophet-hood, and that he should then say to people:
" Be my servants rather than God's servants",
but: "Be rather God's servants by virtue of your [constant] teaching [people] the Scripture and of your [constant] study [thereof.]"
Nor would he [: the Christ or any other prophet] bid you take angels and prophets for lords. Would he bid you unbelieve when you are once resigned [to God?] )
Even the prophet cannot forgive the sins of people; it is God the Most Forgiving and the All-Forgiving alone that can forgive the sin.
While some Christians go to the clergy to confess their mistakes and sins to him, and he says to him: Go son, your sin has been forgiven.
But man can ask forgiveness to his sins and the sins of other people, and the prophet may ask forgiveness to other people; while the forgiveness as a whole is only by the hand of God and is up to Him alone.
(Haven't you [Mohammed] seen those who claim forgiveness for themselves;
not so, but God offers forgiveness to whomsoever He pleases,
and they will not be wronged even it be a 'fateil' [: a minute plant seed.])
Those who know Arabic, refer to this link for more information: سورة النساء
You call Jesus a prophet. Does a prophet lie? Does a prophet falsely claim to be God?
Nowhere in the Bible does Jesus claim to be God. Thomas called him "my God" but it's not the same as Jesus claiming the title himself.
Don't you think that if Jesus really were God, that such proclamations by Jesus would have been sprinkled throughout the NT? Yet there are none.
Why is that? Was Jesus being modest? Were his followers simply supposed to "know" he was God? Why not just come out and say it, and dispel all doubt? There must be a reason.
You call Jesus a prophet. Does a prophet lie? Does a prophet falsely claim to be God?
A Prophet does not Lie and Jesus(as) never lied. No Prophet ever claimed to be God(swt) nor asked people to pray to Him. Jesus(as) taught the people to worship God(swt) alone and never told people to pray to Jesus(as)
5 - Believing in all the apostles of God without exception:
It is rejected in the Quran, that man should believe in some prophets and apostles and at the same time disbelieve in some other prophets or apostles.
Therefore:
The Quran invites people to believe in all the prophets and apostles including Jesus and Mohammed. Or else their faith is defective:
And as do they believe Moses was sent by God; in the same way they should believe in all the apostles sent by God including: Jesus Christ and Prophet Mohammed.
Disbeleiving in anyone of the apostles is rejected and indicates only the traditional belief and not the true belief in God and all His apostles.
This is in the Quran 3: 84
قُلْ آمَنَّا بِاللّهِ وَمَا أُنزِلَ عَلَيْنَا وَمَا أُنزِلَ عَلَى إِبْرَاهِيمَ وَإِسْمَاعِيلَ وَإِسْحَقَ وَيَعْقُوبَ وَالأَسْبَاطِ وَمَا أُوتِيَ مُوسَى وَعِيسَى وَالنَّبِيُّونَ مِن رَّبِّهِمْ لاَ نُفَرِّقُ بَيْنَ أَحَدٍ مِّنْهُمْ وَنَحْنُ لَهُ مُسْلِمُونَ
The explanation:
(Say [O Mohammed to them:]
"We believe in God and that [Quran] which is revealed upon us
and that which was revealed upon Abraham, Ismael, Isaac, Jacob, the Tribes
and that [Books] which Moses and Jesus and the prophets received from their Lord;
we make no distinction between anyone of them [so that we believe in all of them without exception],
Nowhere in the Bible does Jesus claim to be God. Thomas called him "my God" but it's not the same as Jesus claiming the title himself.
Don't you think that if Jesus really were God, that such proclamations by Jesus would have been sprinkled throughout the NT? Yet there are none.
Why is that? Was Jesus being modest? Were his followers simply supposed to "know" he was God? Why not just come out and say it, and dispel all doubt? There must be a reason.
In fact Jesus (salam be to him) called himself: "the son of man" in more than 70 sites in the Gospel.
All of us are sons of man.
This title is very strange that any man calls himself the son of man and insists on this; because he knew they will call him son of God.
Yes, but Jesus did allegedly say that 'no one comes to the Father except through me'. That's quite a claim for a prophet to make.
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