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Originally Posted by resigned
Continuum, I don't know why you are bothering yourself posting about Islam?
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As I had mentioned many times, as a concerned citizen of humanity I am perturbed by the terrible evils and violence committed by SOME [not all] Muslims.
These 'SOME' Muslims are adherents of the religion of Islam.
Therefore if I want to find out the root causes of those terrible evils I have to understand Islam thoroughly and in depth.
To understand Islam better I have discussed with others [especially Muslims] in regard to Islamic matters.
So far I find discussions in this forum very useful as I gather information and views of Islam from various posters and Woodrow LI have been very helpful.
Frankly I find Islam very inferior and distasteful because of all the condemnations of the kuffar in the Quran and a non-Muslim can easily feel that 'hatred' and 'contempt' by Muhammad when one read the Quran.
However because I want to understand why SOME Muslims commit terrible evils and violence I have no choice but to FORCE myself to spent time [a lot of my time] to understand Islam thoroughly and in depth.
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if you accept Islam then do what Muslims do. if Muslim told you that they believe in Hadith then you must believe the same way. that is it.
there is no contradiction between the logic on one hand and the Qur'an & ( True Hadith). Imam ibn Taymeah( Muslim Scholar) had authored a book under this topic. Also, the mere logic or Instinct Approve this. why because it is not acceptable from God to legislate/decree smth that can not be applied by his creations/ human beings.
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What matter is the truth with reference to the specific matter. In this case it is Allah's truths.
Why should I accept what Muslims tell me?
Muslims [many sects] could be wrong in how they understand the words of Allah.
In PRINCIPLE [I hope you understand what this meant] a Muslims is an adherent of Islam.
What is Islam is represented by the words of Allah which at present is only in the Quran and no where else.
I give you one example of 'stoning to death for adultery.'
Now you tell me, did Allah ordain such a punishment?
There is no where in the Quran [as a rule] where Allah permit 'stoning to death for adultery.'
But Sharia insist Allah permit 'stoning to death for adultery.'
Since it is not in the Quran, then the Hadith on this 'stoning to death for adultery' is wrong.
The principle of the above example apply to all hadiths that are not in compliance with Allah's words in the Quran.
Now, if a hadith advocate the casting of terrors and killing of non-Muslims if Islam or Muslims are threatened, then, such a hadiths is in compliance with Allah's words as represented in various verses in the Quran.
So you see the PRINCIPLE?
If hadiths comply with Allah's words as in the Quran, then, it is Islamic and acceptable.
If hadiths DO NOT comply with Allah's words as in the Quran, then, it is NOT Islamic and NOT acceptable.
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So again, you cannot reject true hadiths based on your own methodology or philosophy or even your scientific approach if you are dealing with creeds. Creeds are adopted like this by faith if it was accepted by the instinct or Sense.
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Can you show me where I am wrong in presenting an objective view [the principle above] of whether a hadith is true or not?
Creed?
If Islam is practiced privately and personally by ALL Muslims as a creed, there should be no issue.
But the
reality is, SOME evil prone Muslims commit terrible evils and violence on non-Muslims and even other Muslims when inspired by Islam, i.e. via the evil laden verses in the Quran.
Therefore a responsible human citizen must take note of that "creed" that interfered with the rights of others and committed terrible evils and violence.
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Again, you tried when you commented on Sruat Al-Najm to avoid the implication of the verse. what is so funny is that you even do not bother yourself looking for the explanation of that verse ? you just do what Media does (blakout )?
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I have given my explanation 53:5 [Al Najem] is confined to the revelations of Allah, i.e. and nothing else.
Analogy:
When the CEO of a company announced to the employees, the General Manager [GM] will speak the truth, the implications is the GM will command as per the Standard Operating Manual [policy] of the company and no where else.
If the GM order his secretary to submit to his sexual lust, that is obviously outside the scope of his responsibility. That is due to his personal inclinations.
Similarly, whatever Muhammad command for Islam, it must be in accordance to the Quran and nothing else.
When the hadiths contain the rule 'stoning to death for adultery' [presume to be said by Muhammad] it is not Islamic because there is no such rule in the Quran.
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I find this way of fooling oneself is not encouraging for anyone to comment on your post.
note: Gathering arguments from here and there and posting them does not mean you confute the argument , it is like keeping professor past questions papers to use it in the upper grade.
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Apparently you are the one who is fooling around, accusing without basis and complaining but did not provide any rational and logical points to justify your complains.
Here is my advice to you;
IN PRINCIPLE,
1. As a Muslims your concern is going to Paradise with eternal life [& virgins for some].
2. What matter most is how Allah will judge you on Judgment Day [J-Day].
3. On J-Day, Allah will judge based on his own words in the Quran [completed, perfected and final].
4. Allah will not judge you in accordance to a man-invented Ahadiths.
5. If you follow the Ahadiths [even though accepted as true] and it is not in compliance with Allahs' words in the Quran, you may not qualify to go to Paradise as you wish to be.
6. Therefore if you want to go to Paradise and avoid Hell, you must adhere to the words of Allah in the Quran and no where else.
7. You may rely on the Ahadiths for guidance but it cannot be final as it has potential errors as I had listed earlier.