Enough with the Casinos Kansas City (and Missouri)... (St. Louis, Independence: low income, how much) - (MO) - City-Data Forum

kcmo · 10-22-2010, 07:40 AM

Really KC? Really Sugar Creek?

Sugar Creek makes pitch to state gambling officials for casino-resort - KansasCity.com (http://www.kansascity.com/2010/10/20/2336863/sugar-creek-makes-pitch-to-state.html - broken link)

Does the KC area need another casino? Especially if it's just going to be a smallish tacky casino like this one that is proposed? It will only hurt the larger more established and more destination casinos like Ameristar.

And why in the world does KC need another small arena less than ten miles from the brand new Independence Events Center? So they can both fail?

I'm fine with casinos. I enjoy going to them once in a while and have nothing against their existence, especially if they are large high quality regional casino complexes like Ameristar. But KCK is getting a new casino. It too is a god awful tacky design that replaced the original and awesome Hard Rock Casino though. KCK should have waited it out and did better than Hollywood, but whatever. It's another large casino coming to metro KC.

Enough is enough with the casinos though. MO doesn't need to be blanketed with them especially if they could end up closing existing ones and especially if they include venues that will duplicate and compete with existing nearby venues (6500 seat arena).

Samantha S · 10-22-2010, 08:40 AM

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Originally Posted by kcmo

Does the KC area need another casino? Especially if it's just going to be a smallish tacky casino like this one that is proposed? It will only hurt the larger more established and more destination casinos like Ameristar.

Businesses open because there is a perceived demand and they hope to fill it. If those venturing in are right, it will pay off. If they are wrong, they lose money. This is called capitalism.

cp1969 · 10-22-2010, 08:45 AM

It's for the children! Remember how much money casinos were going to put into the school system?

Samantha S · 10-22-2010, 08:49 AM

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Originally Posted by cp1969

It's for the children! Remember how much money casinos were going to put into the school system?

Riiiight ... maybe we could use it fund a class on basic statistics and the odds of (not) winning money in a casino!

brewcrew1000 · 10-22-2010, 09:41 AM

The only thing we really need is a Lumiere type casino like downtown st louis that has a four seasons hotel attached to it with nice shops and such, a resort type casino.

lifelongMOgal · 10-22-2010, 10:00 AM

As long as the casinos receive no taxpayer funding/subsidies, I think the residents of the area have the right to choose what is best for them. Protectionism of the existing KCMO casinos from any new casinos is just silliness, it is a free market in which to fail or succeed.

I don't like casinos anyway. They have not provided the money promised for education. They are a sham the way they are done here. That said, if people choose to sink to the lowest common demonimator and throw their money away in this economy: go ahead, race to the bottom, just don't sign up for Medicaid when you've lost everything.

aragx6 · 10-22-2010, 10:47 AM

If I'm not mistaken this is the license that's available from a casino closure in St. Louis, so assuming the St. Louis plan is well thought out and has the funding, I would be surprised if it didn't go there anyway.

My question kcmo: What does this have to do with Kansas City? They don't have anything to do with it, do they?

aragx6 · 10-26-2010, 03:37 PM

So St. Louis' plan might not be so well thought out. It still might well happen, but I thought this blog post from Urban STL was certainly interesting and worth a look:

No Casino at Chain of Rocks (http://urbanstl.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=3282: no-casino-at-chain-of-rocks&catid=6:north-stl&Itemid=16 - broken link)

CrownVic95 · 10-27-2010, 05:33 AM

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Originally Posted by kcmo

Really KC? Really Sugar Creek?

Sugar Creek makes pitch to state gambling officials for casino-resort - KansasCity.com (http://www.kansascity.com/2010/10/20/2336863/sugar-creek-makes-pitch-to-state.html - broken link)

Does the KC area need another casino? Especially if it's just going to be a smallish tacky casino like this one that is proposed? It will only hurt the larger more established and more destination casinos like Ameristar.

And why in the world does KC need another small arena less than ten miles from the brand new Independence Events Center? So they can both fail?

I'm fine with casinos. I enjoy going to them once in a while and have nothing against their existence, especially if they are large high quality regional casino complexes like Ameristar. But KCK is getting a new casino. It too is a god awful tacky design that replaced the original and awesome Hard Rock Casino though. KCK should have waited it out and did better than Hollywood, but whatever. It's another large casino coming to metro KC.

Enough is enough with the casinos though. MO doesn't need to be blanketed with them especially if they could end up closing existing ones and especially if they include venues that will duplicate and compete with existing nearby venues (6500 seat arena).

Hmmm....same familiar tune with new words.

Since you seem to have such a huge philosophical problem with competition, maybe you should move to a communist country and get yourself elected First Secretary so you can maintain tight control of every little thing.

kcmo · 10-27-2010, 07:26 AM

What? I'm just saying that covering a city or state with casinos is a bad idea. It's tacky, it sends local revenue out of state despite the advertised tax revenue. They take more out of a local economy than they add. Having 4 million people a month go through casinos in KC only hurts the theaters, sports teams and even the ability for people to afford to buy or maintain homes. You put a casino in Sugar Creek and you will probably hurt the local Home Depot more than anything because people will throw their money away when they don't have money to throw away.

Having said that, I have nothing again casinos and think they are a part of the overall entertainment package of KC or any city. But only if it's not overwhelming and not if it's only taking advantage of the poor rather than adding to the convention and entertainment package. Gear them to people like me who don't go to casinos often, but have the discretionary income to go when I do and give me more to and see than just slot machines.

Why would you want casinos all over the place? They tend to be overdone in economically depressed areas for a reason. Mississippi, Detroit etc and Missouri is looking more and more like those places every year with casinos blanketing the cities and even across the state in smaller towns.

My point with the casinos is if you are going to have one, at least have high quality, destination casinos in areas that add to the city. And yes, be finite with them and control how many you have so you have 2-3 high quality casino resorts rather than 10 tacky casino floors and parking garages.

I have zero interest in the Hollywood Casino being built at the speedway. It looks like they are building a bowling alley onto the side of the speedway. A big box full of slots slapped onto the side of the track. The original Hard Rock casino looked awesome and I would have checked that out for sure though. Same deal here. You have another crappy casino thrown into the market that will dilute the ability for existing casinos to continue to thrive and develop resort destination casino and hotel complexes. KC already has the amazingly tacky Isle of Capri downtown, it doesn't need another. The last thing northern Independence and Sugar Creek needs is a freaking casino, just like the last thing Wyandotte County really needs is a casino. If there was any chance of KCK east of 435 ever rebounding, it will end when that casino opens and the low income people of WyCo flock to the place like there is no tomorrow.

If you guys want casinos all over town (including vacant ones that eventually will close), go for it because casinos are one thing that if you don't control, they will go out of control.

But if you are going to have them, do a few of them and do those right so they appeal to a larger demographic than the poor people and elderly.

KC should replace the Isle of Crap with a Pinnacle like what StLouis has. That way Downtown KC would get a much needed convention hotel out of the deal at the same time. KCK should have gone after a Hard Rock Casino that would have attracted more than just gamblers and no more should be built in the KC area or the rest of MO. Figure out other ways to bring in tax money and keep things diverse.