Kansas: Home of murderous zealouts (Liberal: live in, move, estate)

[Steve97415]

Originally Posted by luzianne

It's not a "Kansas" thing.

Well, I have to wonder. You don't read about a "Minnesota Unorganized Citizen's Militia" or see whack-job Seattleites claiming to be from "the Republic of Washington"...as independent sovereigns who aren't beholden to the laws of state or federal governments. You don't read about school boards in Massachusetts waging a theological war on teaching science in their public schools or ultraconservative zealots holding book-burning parties in Wisconsin. For the size of its population, Kansas sure manages to make a disproportionate number of national headlines on the lunatic fringe.

[janelle144]

Originally Posted by Steve97415

Well, I have to wonder. You don't read about a "Minnesota Unorganized Citizen's Militia" or see whack-job Seattleites claiming to be from "the Republic of Washington"...as independent sovereigns who aren't beholden to the laws of state or federal governments. You don't read about school boards in Massachusetts waging a theological war on teaching science in their public schools or ultraconservative zealots holding book-burning parties in Wisconsin. For the size of its population, Kansas sure manages to make a disproportionate number of national headlines on the lunatic fringe.

Kansas is also where integrated public schools come from. Brown V Board of Education. Ever hear of that one?

I also never heard of the groups you posted. I live here so guess they don't bother anyone in the state, only those outside of the state.

By the way just where was the Unibomber from or Ted Bundy or The Son of Sam or etc. etc. etc. Or the Black Panthers or William Ayers? I could go on and on.

[j_k_k]

Originally Posted by janelle144

Kansas is also where integrated public schools come from. Brown V Board of Education. Ever hear of that one?

Uh, yeah. Not the example I would have chosen. By the 1950s, Kansas--once the most abolitionist state in the Union--had gone so far that it took a Supreme Court ruling to make it do the right thing. Had it not been for the US government's forcing Kansas to get rid of the 'separate but equal' schools fiction, we'd have still had segregation. Like our KKK-heavy phase in the 1920s, definitely not our finest hour. Us taking credit for Brown v. Board would be like Arkansas taking credit for Ike sending in the Screaming Eagles to integrate a school and dare the Arkie National Guard to take them on.

[j_k_k]

Originally Posted by Steve97415

Well, I have to wonder. You don't read about a "Minnesota Unorganized Citizen's Militia" or see whack-job Seattleites claiming to be from "the Republic of Washington"

I'm from Kansas but I happen to live in Washington. Believe you me, we have had plenty of that here. The Order (who used the same sort of ZOG-speak as many other separatist radicals) went up in flames when their leader Robert Mathews burned to death in an armed standoff in the San Juans; they'd already offed a Jewish talk radio guy in Colorado. They committed robberies not far from where I used to live in Shoreline. If you look around well enough in certain parts of the state, the Skagit Valley for example, you can find plenty of people who think Mathews was a martyr (at least to a degree).

Nor was he our only one of that kind. Won't find many in Seattle, but there's militia activity up around Yakima as well--and there might be more other places. And we aren't far from the Idaho Panhandle, where the Aryan Nations used to have their little Neu Reichskanzlei, and where Randy Weaver's family shot it out with the FBI. Plenty of people in Washington think he got a bad deal, too. Then, just south in Portland, we had that whole Metzger business and his Hammerskin cohorts.

[janelle144]

Originally Posted by j_k_k

Uh, yeah. Not the example I would have chosen. By the 1950s, Kansas--once the most abolitionist state in the Union--had gone so far that it took a Supreme Court ruling to make it do the right thing. Had it not been for the US government's forcing Kansas to get rid of the 'separate but equal' schools fiction, we'd have still had segregation. Like our KKK-heavy phase in the 1920s, definitely not our finest hour. Us taking credit for Brown v. Board would be like Arkansas taking credit for Ike sending in the Screaming Eagles to integrate a school and dare the Arkie National Guard to take them on.

The point is there are brave people in KS willing to take on very serious issues. The blacks who lived here also boycotted a department store downtown which didn't allow blacks to eat at their restaurant counter. Today we have a sculpture downtown to commemorate the success of that boycott.

[Bass&Catfish2008]

Originally Posted by pioneer88

All I'm saying is that I would give my life for my son. I've made my decision to create him and from that moment on he is a human being just like myself and in my opinion has earned the right to life just the same as you and me. In response to white and chinese babies only thing, you may be right. But I have not had this experience personally. Sometimes if you look hard enough for something, you'll find it. That can work for positive and negative things.

Who in this thread has supported the person that killed Tiller?

In response to the rest of this junk on this thread, It's sad that if you don't jump on someone else's bandwagon that they automatically demonize you and put you in the same group with the murderers and radicals of the world. It seems it's only ok to be openminded if you share the same mind as you fellas... Seems to me there are a few hypocrite's on this board.

Have a nice day.

Pioneer,

Just a note of encouragement. I have read through most of the posts on this thread and you have remained civil in your responses and have absolutely obliterated any counter arguments with reasonable rationale.

Good job, Brother.

[thedavidwilson]

Originally Posted by doctorjef

First John Brown comes and does his thing, then you have the likes of the Westboro Baptist Church and today the murder in church of a physician who legally performs abortions (with which I personally don't agree). What's wrong with Kansas?

"Home of murderous zealouts"

From the title, I thought you were referring to abortion doctors who dismember children in the womb.

[Bass&Catfish2008]

Originally Posted by mderm

Killing is wrong whether its unborn babies or adults. The suspect that was arrested has a history of mental illness. The average Kansan might be tunnel visioned in some aspects but this act does not represent Wichita KS

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Absolutely.

[Bass&Catfish2008]

Originally Posted by janelle144

Only three do late term abortions as their business. They have clinics where women go just to have late term abortions. Yes, hospitals do them if the woman is about to die if it's not done but these clinics are only there to do the late term abortions. Hospitals would not do those kind unless it was an emergency. Late term abortions are against the law in most states.

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As it should be. Great post.

[Bass&Catfish2008]

Originally Posted by Steve97415

It isn't a question of what percentage of Americans hold any particular view on the beginning of personhood or reproductive rights. It's an issue of who should decide what moral code any particular person must live out their private lives under.

We can't govern a society with opinions of what is right and good. The exact boundaries of what is right and good are unknowable and drift from place to place and generation to generation. What is considered right in Japan or Algeria might be viewed as sinful in Kansas. Things that are perfectly acceptable to you would have horrified your grandparents.

In a democracy that operates within the framework of a constitutional form of government, policy is not established by majority opinion of what is right and good. It is established by Rule of Law. An important constitutional birthright therein is the right to privacy as a matter of due process of law under the Fourteenth Amendment. A majority of Americans may believe that individuals should not own guns, that pornography should not be available, that alcohol should be prohibited or that abortion is immoral. It doesn't matter. The Constitution protects certain liberties so broadly that there will always be some practices within its cloak of freedom that some find objectionable. In the U.S. ,there is no regulatory burden of living a life that is "right and good" in the eyes of another.

The important thing to remember is that in the U.S., unlike in many countries of the Middle East, we have a secular society. People are free to hold whatever religious views they want, and use those views to exercise dominion over their own lives, so long as they don't deprive others of their right to do the same. But they don't have the right to force others to live under the tyranny of religious views that are not consistent with their own. The old bumper sticker that said, "If you don't believe in abortion, then don't have one" still sums up the prevailing principle: you can regulate your own reproductive life with whatever vision of "right and good" that you subscribe to, but you can't regulate the reproductive lives of others. That's un-American.

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The important thing to remember is that in the U.S., unlike in many countries of the Middle East, we have a secular society. People are free to hold whatever religious views they want, and use those views to exercise dominion over their own lives, so long as they don't deprive others of their right to do the same. But they don't have the right to force others to live under the tyranny of religious views that are not consistent with their own. The old bumper sticker that said, "If you don't believe in abortion, then don't have one" still sums up the prevailing principle: you can regulate your own reproductive life with whatever vision of "right and good" that you subscribe to, but you can't regulate the reproductive lives of others. That's un-American.
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Your sentiment here is sound and well intended.

However, with our improvement in technology and medical science (since the inception of the bumper sticker you mention), it is obvious that the life forming in the womb is not a mere "mass of tissues."

Wrongful death and abortion have nothing to do with regulating someone's reproductive life; it has everything to do with protecting the lives of our most innocent and helpless individuals. As I understand the Constitution this is the most American thing we can do.

Blessings.