[swagger]

Originally Posted by ScoopLV

Cigarette smoke isn't the same as perfume or exhaust -- neither of which I want to smell, either.

You're right - exhaust is far more dangerous, and perfume can be, too. Get the wrong scent (which is most of them) around my girlfriend (who's also posted in this thread), and she'll be dead as a doornail once her throat closes up.

The point of my post, though, was that EVEN IF THERE IS NO HEALTH RISK, you still want them banned.

That is a very, very, VERY selfish desire, hence my reply.

Remember, I hate everything now, so I want everything banned. It doesn't matter that most of that stuff isn't harmful. I want it banned. So throw away your car keys, television, computer and everything else, because I don't want you using it.

See how ridiculous that is, Scoop? And that's YOUR logic, not mine.

[Wyndsong71]

Originally Posted by ElleTea

The attitude and stigma attached to smoking is much different today than it was in the 90's. It's much more frowned upon now, and the adverse health affects to not only the smoker, but those around them, are much more common knowledge.

Going smoke free would be awesome, IMO. Sure, they might lose revenue at first, but the smokers would eventually come back. The same uproar always happens when a state goes smoke free. Bar owners cry that they will have to go out of business because the smokers won't come. They protest and stay home at first, but always come back.

Except that they didn't, and the bars got the smoking ban eliminated here because they were losing revenue. So facts prove out that it does hurt places to go smoke free... whether it's by choice or by force, it's bad for business.

[Wyndsong71]

Originally Posted by ScoopLV

I think you're missing the point that so few people are smoking these days that it is possible for large retail operations to jettison tobacco sales entirely and not miss them. A big freakin' team of accountants at CVS looked at the numbers and agreed that being the first drug chain to be tobacco-free was worth the revenue hit.

That wasn't possible 20 years ago, or even 10, or even FIVE.

There are still people out there whose preferred carrier is Northwest because they were the first to embrace smoke-free flying. CVS knows this. I don't think this was a particularly bad gamble for them.


It doesn't matter if people agree or not. "No Smoking" is going to take hold everywhere. This is inevitable. There is no stopping it. Smokers are going to continue to be squeezed out of the rest of society until there aren't any left.

I'm sure that's what they thought about drinkers and pot smokers too, and yet.....

[ElleTea]

Originally Posted by swagger

You're right - exhaust is far more dangerous, and perfume can be, too. Get the wrong scent (which is most of them) around my girlfriend (who's also posted in this thread), and she'll be dead as a doornail once her throat closes up.

My throat won't close up and kill me being around smoke, but I do cough immediately. I feel awful when I am around it. There might not be studies saying how much it is officially affecting me, but I can tell you, it is.

Smoke is the number one reason I stay out of casinos. And I am not alone.

The day my previous state banned it was a glorious one, indeed. Going out to watch a live band in a bar was wonderful. I could breathe, and also...SEE! No more blue/grey haze hanging over the rooms. Even friends that were smokers said it was a wonderful thing, even when they had to stand out in the -20 degree windchill to smoke their cigarettes. And I no longer woke up with a "cigarette hangover" from second hand smoke. I am amazed more service workers aren't getting involved in this movement.

[EA]

Originally Posted by ScoopLV

They sell patches and gum. I haven't seen any eCigs there. (I've been there many times in the last couple weeks buying cases of water and soda for the floor installers.)

They're also making a big deal about being tobacco free.

I meant the tobacco using public switched to vape. I've only seen a handful of people smoking cigarettes in the last year, but I've seen hundreds using vape.

[ScoopLV]

Originally Posted by swagger

You're right - exhaust is far more dangerous, and perfume can be, too. Get the wrong scent (which is most of them) around my girlfriend (who's also posted in this thread), and she'll be dead as a doornail once her throat closes up.

The point of my post, though, was that EVEN IF THERE IS NO HEALTH RISK, you still want them banned.

That is a very, very, VERY selfish desire, hence my reply.

Remember, I hate everything now, so I want everything banned. It doesn't matter that most of that stuff isn't harmful. I want it banned. So throw away your car keys, television, computer and everything else, because I don't want you using it.

See how ridiculous that is, Scoop? And that's YOUR logic, not mine.

And guess what? Doesn't matter.

Smokers may be welcome in public places. But cigarette smoke itself is about as welcome as an infestation of cockroaches. While that is a revolting comparison, it is an apt comparison. The only place an infestation of cockroaches is allowed to exist is outdoors, far away from humans. And that's exactly where smokers will be allowed to smoke -- outdoors, far away from humans. And in California, I'll bet they won't even be allowed to smoke outdoors.

In the very near future, nicotine addicts will receive exactly as much sympathy from society at large as heroin addicts do today. Why? There's so few of smokers left and cigarette smoke is considered offensive and noxious.

Banning smoking on airplanes was a game changer. Tobacco leaving drug stores is another game changer. It's only a matter of time.

And what can smokers do to stop this? I'll let Michael Corleone answer that for me:

[Wyndsong71]

Originally Posted by ScoopLV

And guess what? Doesn't matter.

Smokers may be welcome in public places. But cigarette smoke itself is about as welcome as an infestation of cockroaches. While that is a revolting comparison, it is an apt comparison. The only place an infestation of cockroaches is allowed to exist is outdoors, far away from humans.

LOL! Yes, that's why you never see cockroaches anywhere except outside. *SMH* That is a great analogy, because like cockroaches, you can't stop people from smoking just because YOU don't like it. Any more than you can actually stop cockroaches or any other bug from infesting your house just because you don't like it. You can try all you want, but living here in Vegas you should be well aware how futile it actually is.

Banning smoking on airplanes was a game changer. Tobacco leaving drug stores is another game changer. It's only a matter of time.

And what can smokers do to stop this? I'll let Michael Corleone answer that for me:

Tobacco hasn't left drug stores, ONE chain has stopped selling tobacco products. Only ONE. That is not a game changer, it's hardly noticeable. Most drug stores, grocery stores, department stores like Wal-Mart and target, all still sell tobacco, and will continue to. CVS might be able to stop without a lot of damage, because they were expensive to begin with. There are hundreds of stores that sell tobacco products on one street, CVS is a tiny little drop in the bucket.

I find it interesting though that instead of saying CVS stopped selling it, that you insist on saying "drug store". Drug stores haven't stopped... CVS has.

[tijlover]

Originally Posted by ScoopLV

It doesn't matter if people agree or not. "No Smoking" is going to take hold everywhere. This is inevitable. There is no stopping it.

Yes, it's inevitable, no stopping it as well: a nuclear holocaust to put an end to this laboratory experiment called the human race! Tick-tick-tick goes the clock!

Then? Pinch your nose! The smells from the burning of flesh and hair, burning buildings and cars!

And those No Smoking signs will be laughable!

Given the widespread addiction to pain medication, CVS will make up for the loss of tobacco sales with more dangerous, useless drugs!

Suffering some severe pain in March, it was my first foray into pain medication. Lortabs didn't cut it! A waste of $$! Then Dr. prescribes Percocets! Again, it did not reduce the pain! Another waste of money to increase CVS's bottom line!

Overprescribed meds by Dr.'s, and CVS should be so proud!

[kimba01]

Originally Posted by ElleTea

My throat won't close up and kill me being around smoke, but I do cough immediately. I feel awful when I am around it. There might not be studies saying how much it is officially affecting me, but I can tell you, it is.

Smoke is the number one reason I stay out of casinos. And I am not alone.

The day my previous state banned it was a glorious one, indeed. Going out to watch a live band in a bar was wonderful. I could breathe, and also...SEE! No more blue/grey haze hanging over the rooms. Even friends that were smokers said it was a wonderful thing, even when they had to stand out in the -20 degree windchill to smoke their cigarettes. And I no longer woke up with a "cigarette hangover" from second hand smoke. I am amazed more service workers aren't getting involved in this movement.

Casino owners aren't worried about you as you have stated you don't like to gamble anyway. They can live without those who just wander in to check out the 'cool' stuff.

[ScoopLV]

Originally Posted by Wyndsong71

Tobacco hasn't left drug stores, ONE chain has stopped selling tobacco products. Only ONE. That is not a game changer, it's hardly noticeable. Most drug stores, grocery stores, department stores like Wal-Mart and target, all still sell tobacco, and will continue to. CVS might be able to stop without a lot of damage, because they were expensive to begin with. There are hundreds of stores that sell tobacco products on one street, CVS is a tiny little drop in the bucket.

I find it interesting though that instead of saying CVS stopped selling it, that you insist on saying "drug store". Drug stores haven't stopped... CVS has.

You don't get it. When Northwest banned smoking on airplanes, that was the event horizon for the end of public smoking. As soon as the airlines cared more about not alienating non-smokers than they did about alienating smokers, they changed their policies.

As soon as the restaurants cared more about not alienating non-smokers, they changed their policies. As soon as the stadiums and concert halls cared more about not alienating non-smokers, they changed their policies. A major retail store has just announced that they care more about not alienating non-smokers than they care about tobacco revenue.

Smokers have no "right" to smoke. They cannot smoke in airlines. They cannot smoke in stadiums and restaurants. Bars and casinos are their last bastion, their inner keep. And as soon as the bars and casinos care more about not alienating non-smokers, it's lights out for smoking in public.

I don't have to do a damned thing to change smoking policy. Smokers are up against the free market. Non-smokers don't like cigarette smoke and there are many, many more of them spending many, many more dollars. Welcome to capitalism. The end is near and there's not a thing anyone can do about it.