[ScoopLV]

Originally Posted by Katie the heartbreaker

p.s. I am going to be outside today. I will make sure and drink some sunscreen.

I'm glad most people see the logic.


Once upon a time, vaccines contained weakened strains of viruses. Then we discovered that injecting dead viruses was just as effective, with less health risk (people stopped contracting the virus they were being immunized against). Captain Confusion is basically insisting that we go back to the old way because it's the way he knows.

Fluoride toothpaste wasn't available when this program started in the 1940s. It was then a way to get fluoride in contact with tooth enamel, and we didn't fully understand the process. We have moved on, but still the old program lingers -- a pork policy favored by the fertilizer industry. Ask any dentist, "Do I need to SWALLOW fluoride for it to be effective?"

Get back to me with even a single dentist who recommends swallowing fluoride.

Tooth caries have decreased because oral hygiene has improved -- and the stats in fluoridating vs. non-fluoridating areas confirm this. Time to kill this turkey of a program. (Makes as much sense as paying farmers NOT to grow crops.)

[Katie the heartbreaker]

Originally Posted by Tek_Freek

Health Claim Notification for Fluoridated Water and Reduced Risk of Dental Caries

The CDC and now the FDA, really? I don't trust either at all. Especially the FDA considering former Monsanto execs run them.

[Tek_Freek]

Tell you what. I'm going to be 67 next week. I've been drinking fluoridated water my entire life.

It's pretty damn obvious it's not going to kill me.

How paranoid can you be?

[EA]

Originally Posted by Tek_Freek

Tell you what. I'm going to be 67 next week. I've been drinking fluoridated water my entire life.

It's pretty damn obvious it's not going to kill me.

How paranoid can you be?

Ozzy Osborne has taken 1,000 times more drugs and alcohol than most other rock stars, and he's still alive.


80,000~ people a year are not so lucky.

By your logic, 1 example that hasn't keeled over yet, drugs are safe.



Sure, anything can be fatal if you take enough of it, but many things can cause many many afflictions in lower than fatal doses.
My toothpaste container has a warning against swallowing it due to the fluoride. I do not wish to drink it in my drinking water.

Oxford study

Fluoridation of drinking water and chronic kidney disease: absence of evidence is not evidence of absence

[lvoc]

Originally Posted by EA

Ozzy Osborne has taken 1,000 times more drugs and alcohol than most other rock stars, and he's still alive.


80,000~ people a year are not so lucky.

By your logic, 1 example that hasn't keeled over yet, drugs are safe.



Sure, anything can be fatal if you take enough of it, but many things can cause many many afflictions in lower than fatal doses.
My toothpaste container has a warning against swallowing it due to the fluoride. I do not wish to drink it in my drinking water.

Oxford study

Fluoridation of drinking water and chronic kidney disease: absence of evidence is not evidence of absence

Of course their are people who may wish to avoid fluoridated water. There are also people who may want to avoid any number of other substances. I avoid the B vitamins as I have a significant problem with B6. That does not however suggest the rest of the world should stop taking multivitamins with the B sequence.

There is also an Australian study of kidney disease patients that found fluoridated water a small if any risk.

There are also people who react badly to small amounts of a common substance. But I do not think that calls for banning peanuts.

Live virus vaccines are still in common use. Polio went to killed only but other diseases did not.

I have still not offered any personal views. I have simply quoted the medical establishment

Scoop is simply holding himself up as smarter than the entire US medical establishment.

[EA]

So, since people are vitamin deficient, we should add some vitamin b6 to the water supply, be a great idea, huh?

[lvoc]

Originally Posted by EA

So, since people are vitamin deficient, we should add some vitamin b6 to the water supply, be a great idea, huh?

Cite your source that people are vitamin deficient. Or are you another Scoop? You know it is true even if no one else does?

Actually if you understand this at all you would know that it is a major problem to avoid B6...because it is added to all sorts of foods particularly cereals.

[unf0rgiven6262]

Originally Posted by ScoopLV

In Portland's case, passing this bill would have meant adding 1.1 million pounds of fluorosilicic acid per year. Where do we get fluorosilicic acid? It's a byproduct of industrial fertilizers.

That's really the kicker for me. We're not talking about adding controlled amounts of naturally occurring fluoride to communities who are deficient in such a mineral. We're talking about people who in all likelihood have already consumed more than enough fluoride and are now filling a glass of water with who knows how much of an industrial waste product. If the discussion is going to take the form of "well the government endorses it and I'm still alive so it must be fine", there's no point in further conversation. after all, this is a practice that began in a time when doctors endorsed smoking.

[unf0rgiven6262]

Originally Posted by lvoc

Portland is an interesting case and is really illustrative of the real problem. What we need to realize is the resistance in Portland and elsewhere to Fluoridation is being driven out of the same thought process as the anti-vaccine campaigns. It is a sort of do nothing let nature take its course even if it hurts people.

Not drinking fluoride is neither hurting anyone nor is it even remotely equivalent to convincing yourself that your child doesn't need a life saving vaccine.

[EA]

Originally Posted by lvoc

Cite your source that people are vitamin deficient. Or are you another Scoop? You know it is true even if no one else does?

Actually if you understand this at all you would know that it is a major problem to avoid B6...because it is added to all sorts of foods particularly cereals.

CDC Online Newsroom - Press Release-CDC report finds U.S. population has good levels of some essential vitamins and nutrients April 02, 2012


I said what I said to illustrate a point. We are NOT fluoride deficient. EVERY toothpaste has it in it. Every person who brushes their teeth get plenty of fluoride. There is no reason to add it to the water supply.
Fluoride is NOT supposed to be consumed.


Can you show me where the government is mandating the addition of vitamin b to foods?

Can I elect to not have running water in my house? Pretty sure I can't.
Can you elect not to buy food with vitamin b? You sure can.

I admit that having to avoid food because of a certain element of it would suck.