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Second in your class, Intel finalist, his scores, and he was undoubtedly in extracurriculars. I just think it stinks that we have to turn to his race. Isn't it possible he was qualified?
He was qualified absolutely, obviously a brilliant kid who will do well, but to say that race had absolutely nothing to do with it (as well as socioeconomic status) you are fooling yourself.
He was qualified absolutely, obviously a brilliant kid who will do well, but to say that race had absolutely nothing to do with it (as well as socioeconomic status) you are fooling yourself.
I think it's more that I'm uncomfortable with mentioning his race when a kid has worked his tail off his entire life. And, honestly, if a kid who may not be wealthy is getting the same shot as privileged kids then I say good for him. It gives hope to others.
If you are salutatorian, an Intel finalist, and you have 2200 on your SAT, I think you'd almost be a shoe in. IMHO, I don't think race was a factor.
I think you're delusional if you really believe that Logan McNally from Levittown gets in to all 8 Ivies and then some with the same credentials....but agree that would prefer to leave race out of the equation. I'm sure he'll do well and use his education wisely.
I think you're delusional if you really believe that Logan McNally from Levittown gets in to all 8 Ivies and then some with the same credentials....but agree that would prefer to leave race out of the equation. I'm sure he'll do well and use his education wisely.
I think it's more that I'm struggling with just wanting to give these kids a congrats and hope that other kids from those communities see the possibilities that await them. Call it delusional. I'm fine with that because I'm a pragmatist. So, being called delusional is a rarity for me lol. I'm glad I'd rather see the hope in this than break it down into numbers. I'm choosing to just say congrats.
If you are salutatorian, an Intel finalist, and you have 2200 on your SAT, I think you'd almost be a shoe in. IMHO, I don't think race was a factor.
Those qualifications alone are not impressive at all. I'll bet the top 100 seniors in any of Long Island's elite high schools have that and more. The SAT score is quite low for those schools. However, he may have written an exceptional essay, demonstrated leadership in other areas, and was involved in some atypical impressive community service activities
I thought he was an intel semi-finalist. Big difference from being a finalist in that particular competition.
Those qualifications alone are not impressive at all. I'll bet the top 100 seniors in any of Long Island's elite high schools have that and more. The SAT score is quite low for those schools. However, he may have written an exceptional essay, demonstrated leadership in other areas, and was involved in some atypical impressive community service activities
I thought he was an intel semi-finalist. Big difference from being a finalist in that particular competition.
Agree. He was a semi-finalist (one poster keeps getting that wrong and it is a huge difference). 2270 not a great score for those elite colleges- he was not a National Merit Semifinalist.
Asian and white candidates with his credentials do not get into all 8 Ivies (unless they are athletes or some other special category) . His race (black) was undoubtedly a major factor in those impressive admissions.
There will always be some folks who are relatively unfamiliar with the elite college admissions game who will balk at the suggestion that Asians and whites (unless they are athletes or some other special category) are disadvantaged in the process compared to blacks. And that Asians, for example and with superior academic accomplishments, are routinely denied admission.
This is not to take anything away from him and he is certainly qualified and will do well in whatever college he picks.
I think it's more that I'm uncomfortable with mentioning his race when a kid has worked his tail off his entire life. And, honestly, if a kid who may not be wealthy is getting the same shot as privileged kids then I say good for him. It gives hope to others.
Get comfortable - racial considerations are the standard operating procedure for the elite colleges.
This reality has nothing to do with his impressive work ethic and wonderful accomplishments.
It is a shame the college admissions game weighs race (especially for blacks) so heavily - it leads to a false perception that a black student who is accepted is not really qualified the way as Asian student (who has a demonstrably higher academic bar to pass to gain admission) might be. In reality, all these bright kids are qualified and can handle the work once accepted.
But I do agree that it is always nice when someone (black, white, Asian, etc) whose parents are not wealthy can compete with those who might have some financial advantages. That is entirely different and far less odious than the race game played by the elite colleges.
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Aristotle
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