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Old 05-26-2010, 09:32 AM
 
Location: NHP, NY
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But the budget increase of 3.21% can almost be completely contributed to inflation.

I agree that some of the increases can not be sustainable over the long haul. But what is stupid is the way it is being delt with. It is like people are just waking up and being told what there taxes are for the first time and their flipping out. Instead, smaller adjustments need to be made over the long term. They shouldnt have kept passing 3-4% budgets year after year, to then suddenly loose it and demand that they are being put thru the ringer. If they would have just gotten the budget increases down to 2-3% year after year, there would be no "sticker" shock this year. But that is not the way things go... people dont care until it strikes a nerve and then they go overboard trying to fix it. Its the whole reason the economy is where it is right now.
Fair enough; but again, the proposed GC tax levy increase (of roughly 4.5%) would've been 2x the rate of recent inflation numbers. That's just piling onto an already crumbling foundation.

I think quite a few people are waking up to a lot of this in recent years due to the current state of our economy and the ever increasing deficits that are being run at all levels of government. Something has to give sooner than later or the whole thing is going to collapse under its own weight.
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Old 05-26-2010, 09:35 AM
 
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Fair enough; but again, the proposed GC tax levy increase (of roughly 4.5%) would've been 2x the rate of recent inflation numbers. That's just piling onto an already crumbling foundation.

I think quite a few people are waking up to a lot of this in recent years due to the current state of our economy and the ever increasing deficits that are being run at all levels of government. Something has to give sooner than later or the whole thing is going to collapse under its own weight.
The budget increase can be almost completely attributed to inflation? Umm, I don't think so, it's attributed to the pension contribution and the increase in the costs of healthcare premiums (which was more than 2.5%).
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Old 05-26-2010, 09:44 AM
 
Location: NHP, NY
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The budget increase can be almost completely attributed to inflation? Umm, I don't think so, it's attributed to the pension contribution and the increase in the costs of healthcare premiums (which was more than 2.5%).
Hey, don't quote me, quote wingnutks.
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Old 05-26-2010, 10:18 AM
 
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But the budget increase of 3.21% can almost be completely contributed to inflation.

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Um, no it's almost entirely due to pension and benefits. You can read the GC's BOE meeting minutes - it's right there in black and white.
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Old 05-26-2010, 10:25 AM
 
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Um, no it's almost entirely due to pension and benefits. You can read the GC's BOE meeting minutes - it's right there in black and white.
So your saying you want a 0% increase?
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Old 05-26-2010, 11:32 AM
 
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Hahahaha, riiiiiiight. I dont know a single teacher who only works 8 hours a day, or doesnt work summer. You actually think teachers can get all there "prep" in during there prep periods AND grade their papers/test/homeworks????
NO, they do some of it at home on Sunday. And when do you think they write curriculum for the next year???? OVER SUMMER.

If you actually think a decent teacher, let alone a good teacher, actually only works 160 days 8 hours a day... you are sorely mistaken. And no, I am not a teacher.
Teachers in the East Williston HS teach for 3:40 minutes a day. So they get about 4:20 per day to eat lunch, "prep", grade papers & take care of personal business, cell phone calls etc etc. If you're saying that the typical teacher takes work home, works on weekends and summer to prep, grade papers & homework then that teacher has no business being a teacher.

Out of curiosity how many teachers do you know personally to be in a position to make the statement you did?
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Old 05-26-2010, 11:41 AM
 
Location: Nassau, Long Island, NY
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KB has a valid point. People are quick to blame teachers for the kids failures. It's a shared responsibility. It's a proven argument that parental involvement is a major playing factor in the sucess of a child's education.
Yet when a school district is well rated and the kids are doing great, TEACHERS are the ones who are quite quick to claim ALL THE CREDIT, aren't they? "Of course you must pay me $XXX,XXX per year and take care of me until I die after I retire! Why do you think your kids are doing so well? Why do you think your school district is so highly rated? It's because of ME, the teacher!"
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Old 05-26-2010, 11:42 AM
 
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Teachers in the East Williston HS teach for 3:40 minutes a day. So they get about 4:20 per day to eat lunch, "prep", grade papers & take care of personal business, cell phone calls etc etc. If you're saying that the typical teacher takes work home, works on weekends and summer to prep, grade papers & homework then that teacher has no business being a teacher.

Out of curiosity how many teachers do you know personally to be in a position to make the statement you did?
I know 7 teachers. One of them is what you described. The rest vary in degree, but they all work way harder than you give them credit for. And how the hell can you say they have no business being a teacher? Because they put in extra effort?

Are you the principle at East Williston or a teacher?
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Old 05-26-2010, 11:42 AM
 
Location: Nassau, Long Island, NY
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^^^^^^ One could make a valid point that they have a much harder job teaching in that district than the more wealthy districts on Long Island.
Ya mean they should get combat pay?
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Old 05-26-2010, 11:46 AM
 
Location: Nassau, Long Island, NY
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The budget increase can be almost completely attributed to inflation? Umm, I don't think so, it's attributed to the pension contribution and the increase in the costs of healthcare premiums (which was more than 2.5%).
My school district's budget had a separate eight-figure line for STATE MANDATED increased pension contribution (to make up for the fact the markets weren't bearing an 8% return) and increased heath insurance premiums.

Of course, in the State's ultimate wisdom, they also decreased aid significantly to my school district.

Thanks!
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