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Old 12-03-2016, 08:55 AM
 
Location: Living rent free in your head
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So even if people are being killed because of these policies , which they are.. you are fine with it. Nice!
Let me try to explain something to you. You need to have probable cause to keep a person in jail, you can't just lock people up because one of them might kill someone, that is stupid. ICE knows about this problem, they need to work with DOJ and find a way to issue detainers that won't get local law enforcement in trouble with the courts. All that ICE has to do is have a federal judge sign a warrant for arrest and provide that to local law enforcement along with the request for detainer, you tell me...why haven't they done that?

 
Old 12-03-2016, 09:00 AM
 
Location: Sylmar, a part of Los Angeles
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No, refusing to honor an ICE detainer request is not shielding "illegal criminals". ICE detainers are a 'request', they are not warrants and they are not based on probable cause. Several courts have recently held that it is a violation of the 4th amendment to hold people on an ICE detainer so there are now hundreds, if not thousands of jails across the US who refuse to honor them.

https://www.lexisnexis.com/legalnews...edirected=true

https://www.lexisnexis.com/legalnews...edirected=true

ICE has known that this is a problem for decades and they have done nothing about it, it's on them...and unless Trump is going to repeal the 4th amendment, then he can't force these agencies to honor ICE detainers
Yeah but he can cut federal money these cities receive.
 
Old 12-03-2016, 09:01 AM
 
Location: Los Angeles (Native)
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Let me try to explain something to you. You need to have probable cause to keep a person in jail, you can't just lock people up because one of them might kill someone, that is stupid. ICE knows about this problem, they need to work with DOJ and find a way to issue detainers that won't get local law enforcement in trouble with the courts. All that ICE has to do is have a federal judge sign a warrant for arrest and provide that to local law enforcement along with the request for detainer, you tell me...why haven't they done that?
Change is coming
 
Old 12-03-2016, 09:21 AM
 
Location: Laguna Niguel, Orange County CA
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Originally Posted by 2sleepy View Post
No, refusing to honor an ICE detainer request is not shielding "illegal criminals". ICE detainers are a 'request', they are not warrants and they are not based on probable cause. Several courts have recently held that it is a violation of the 4th amendment to hold people on an ICE detainer so there are now hundreds, if not thousands of jails across the US who refuse to honor them.

https://www.lexisnexis.com/legalnews...edirected=true

https://www.lexisnexis.com/legalnews...edirected=true

ICE has known that this is a problem for decades and they have done nothing about it, it's on them...and unless Trump is going to repeal the 4th amendment, then he can't force these agencies to honor ICE detainers
Notice how treasonous the above stated sentiment is.

They want to shield CRIMINALS.
 
Old 12-03-2016, 09:28 AM
 
Location: Living rent free in your head
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Yeah but he can cut federal money these cities receive.
That's true but if he does so solely based upon a refusal to honor ICE detainers he will probably get in a whole bunch of trouble with Federal Courts, because in the decisions in Oregon and Chicago the federal courts ordered law enforcement in those jurisdictions NOT to honor ICE detention requests.

ICE detainers are a 'civil' request to hold a person after their scheduled release date, it is not even a criminal action. This problem was created by ICE and DOJ and it's been a problem for decades.
 
Old 12-03-2016, 09:29 AM
 
Location: Living rent free in your head
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Notice how treasonous the above stated sentiment is.
They want to shield CRIMINALS.
my post was treasonous? WTF?
 
Old 12-03-2016, 09:31 AM
 
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See if they shield them, then grant them citizenship the politicians have a ton of new voters.

Duh
Sure how many of those illegals actually have become citizens ? How many years did it take for any who did ? Who says any of those new voters even voted Democratic ?

There is a whole lot of supposition going on here.


For some of us the question of WHY has a very simple answer. Hardworking people who support families and contribute to the economy for years do not deserve to be deported for the crime of seeking a better life. No one is against deporting criminals but why breakup families. This doesn't need to be a black and white issue.

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Old 12-03-2016, 09:31 AM
 
Location: Los Angeles (Native)
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Notice how treasonous the above stated sentiment is.

They want to shield CRIMINALS.
Yes , what happened to giving a S about victims ? You never hear about it anymore from the left.
It's all about how they can fight to protect criminals whether they are legal or even illegal .

Garcetti and these are sanctuary city mayors are treasonous . They don't care for law and order. They don't want to follow the law themselves. Their behavior is criminal .
The governor of Texas is doing the right thing .

Texas Governor Says He Will Ban All Sanctuary Cities [VIDEO] | The Daily Caller

As he explains he is simply requiring they follow federal law .
 
Old 12-03-2016, 09:37 AM
 
Location: Los Angeles
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Yes , what happened to giving a S about victims ? You never hear about it anymore from the left.
It's all about how they can fight to protect criminals whether they are legal or even illegal .

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Would you quit it already with your all liberals want to do this or that. It is really just childish dribble.

If you read 2Sleepy's post, he/she is not talking about shielding criminals. He is talking about due process and following the rule of law. You might want to try it sometime...it is something our founding fathers cherished.
 
Old 12-03-2016, 09:38 AM
 
Location: Los Angeles (Native)
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Originally Posted by Vacanegro View Post
Sure how many of those illegals actually have become citizens ? How many years did it take for any who did ? Who says any of those new voters even voted Democratic ?

There is a whole lot of supposition going on here.


For some of us the question of WHY has a very simple answer. Hardworking people who support families and contribute to the economy for years do not deserve to be deported for the crime of seeking a better life. No one is against deporting criminals but why breakup families. This doesn't need to be a black or white issue.
But what aren't any of these sanctuary city mayors saying that ?
Why won't they say , "if you are a criminal you will have to go ?.. if you committed crimes on US soil you have to go ?"
Don't you think they should state that ?
Instead they are just lumping together legal immigrants with illegal and not stating anything about criminal behavior.
No everyone isn't " just the same"
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