The Los Angeles Homeless Containment Thread (Sunnyvale, Mountain View: phone, warm, driving)

[NyWriterdude]

Originally Posted by 1AngryTaxPayer

On my daily bicycle commute I see hundreds of people talking to themselves, basically so far "out there" that no voucher is going to help. Clothes falling off, covered in their own filth. We'd literally have to force these people into institutions and it would be just like a prison for them.

Absolutely not true. First of all they were allowed to decay on the streets and get to this point. Until President Obama for people 21-64 Med-Cal was unavailable as it was for either low income SENIORS, low income minors, or pregnant people. So lack of medical care and lack of mental health was a huge issue.

The war on drugs and the school to prison pipeline are major issues too. LA is like what, 17% Black but go to Skid Row and it must be 80% Black.

The fact people love keeping their neighborhoods "safe" and white and refuse to allow certain facilities and services in them, plus the fact for awhile LA blocked developed of a transit system which could have helped poor people get to jobs more easily are all factors in why LA is a DUMP and now stuck with a truly horrible homeless population that it won't easily be able to resolve.

When you break something it's yours to keep. In other words, when you break it, you pay for it.

[NyWriterdude]

Originally Posted by pittsflyer

Most people just want them to go away, out of sight out of mind, NIMBY alive and well. Because .... I got a masters degree. I bet there are homeless with masters degrees too, perhaps not living in a tent in central park looking like a disheveled lunatic but homeless all the same, bouncing from couch to couch using library internet, etc. There are a lot of people living out of vans or making a go of tiny home living, all kinds of stuff because finding a good job is a hellish nightmare and COL is so completely out of control people are doing desperate things to find alternatives.

This is true, but.

Not that educated people can't have a hard time, because they can. If you were able to get a masters degree you should know there are 50 states in the nation and over 100 countries in the world. If you can't afford life in California, MOVE!

Long term homeless in Skid Row have criminal records, severe addictions, and other severe socioeconomic and sociopsychological problems.

A person with a masters degree, should they become too sick and disabled to work, likely knows how to get a lawyer to help them apply for SSI. The types of people on Skid Row likely don't know that.............

There's not a huge epidemic of homeless with masters degrees, though anyone can be homeless. A fire or an earthquake could render someone homeless. So could someone losing their jobs. For an educated, sound person, these are temporary forms of homelessness that they will fix. A person bouncing from couch to couch with job skills will find some sort of job and some sort of housing arrangement.

[CA4Now]

Originally Posted by NyWriterdude

There's not a huge epidemic of homeless with masters degrees, though anyone can be homeless.

And if they have a mental illness, it probably doesn't matter what level of education they have. Think of Nathaniel Ayers, who dropped out of Julliard as a result of his schizophrenia, and who had--and continues to have--all the resources that could possibly be available in Los Angeles....and he still battled homelessness.

For all his setbacks, he still finds hope and sanity in the music

[NyWriterdude]

Originally Posted by CA4Now

And if they have a mental illness, it probably doesn't matter what level of education they have. Think of Nathaniel Ayers, who dropped out of Julliard as a result of his schizophrenia, and who had--and continues to have--all the resources that could possibly be available in Los Angeles....and he still battled homelessness.

For all his setbacks, he still finds hope and sanity in the music

Well severe enough physical illness can also make you unable to work.

With that said, people in those categories can get housing vouchers or be placed in subsidized housing if the are unable to cope with living alone.

Subsidized housing does not have to be a mental hospital or nursing home, there are various places in between that and private apartments.

Keep in mind mental illness alone does not mean you are going to be homeless. And that there is different levels of mental illness. Lots of people with depression or ADHD never get to that point. Other factors are at play too, such as family support, resources available, whether the person has any treatment for their mental condition, what the person's socioeconomic outlook is, whether the person has a criminal record, etc.

[2sleepy]

Originally Posted by NyWriterdude

With that said, people in those categories can get housing vouchers or be placed in subsidized housing if the are unable to cope with living alone. Subsidized housing does not have to be a mental hospital or nursing home, there are various places in between that and private apartments.

The problem is that only 24% of the poor can get subsidized housing of any type. In most areas there is a 4-6 year wait for a section 8 voucher. Social service agencies usually put the most severely mentally ill into supportive housing leaving thousands of others who still need assistance on the streets.

[CaliRestoration]

The truth is, California's homeless population is growing, and much faster than it is nationally.

California's homeless rate rose by 14% from 2016 to 2017. Nationally during the same period, it rose only 1%.

According to HUD, California has the third highest rate nationally with 34 in every 10,000 people in the state experiencing homelessness. Only New York and Hawaii are worse off.

Guess who the 3 biggest spenders on homeless programs are by gross allocated dollars for 2018BY?

You guessed it.

Throwing more money at the problem using "leftist/progressive" lead and designed programs doesn't seem to be solving the problem at all, it seems to be making it worse.

[Matadora]

Originally Posted by pittsflyer

Being homeless and needing to sleep somewhere is synonomus, there have been legal arguments at the federal level that sleeping is a human right and homeless people have no choice but to sleep on public lands.

Then go find a camp site and sleep all day. Or find a place that's not on a sidewalk and have at it. But in the morning pick your mess up and get it off the public land as it's not intended for homeless folks to set up permanent living quarters on it.

Originally Posted by pittsflyer

Sure its ok to be homeless so long as you go do it in the wilderness and just die ....

I knew you would insert your personal narrative once again. This behavior is an obstacle to respectful discussions and learning.

[Matadora]

Originally Posted by pittsflyer

Most people just want them to go away, out of sight out of mind, NIMBY alive and well. Because .... I got a masters degree. I bet there are homeless with masters degrees too, perhaps not living in a tent in central park looking like a disheveled lunatic but homeless all the same, bouncing from couch to couch using library internet, etc. There are a lot of people living out of vans or making a go of tiny home living, all kinds of stuff because finding a good job is a hellish nightmare and COL is so completely out of control people are doing desperate things to find alternatives.

More unsubstantiated personal narratives. You can't hold a discussion with a person who behaves this way as it's an obstacle to respectful discussions and learning.

[CA4Now]

Originally Posted by NyWriterdude

Well severe enough physical illness can also make you unable to work.

With that said, people in those categories can get housing vouchers or be placed in subsidized housing if the are unable to cope with living alone.

Read Ayers' story....he was in and out of shelters and subsidized housing for years, after living on the street. And he had a lot of help finding a sister who had given up on him out of frustration.

This stuff is not as simple as it looks.

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[CA4Now]

Originally Posted by CaliRestoration

California has the third highest rate nationally with 34 in every 10,000 people in the state experiencing homelessness. Only New York and Hawaii are worse off.

Guess who the 3 biggest spenders on homeless programs are by gross allocated dollars for 2018BY?

You guessed it.

Throwing more money at the problem using "leftist/progressive" lead and designed programs doesn't seem to be solving the problem at all, it seems to be making it worse.

But the article you quoted says that the main reason for this is that rents are going up faster than income in N.Y., California and Hawaii.

So there goes your "throwing more money at it" theory.