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Old 08-28-2019, 02:24 PM
 
Location: Altadena, CA
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I watched this video the other day from CBS News - Breaking Point California's Homeless Problem. So it's not just focused on LA, but it shows just how bad the homeless problem is in CA! Just terrible.

https://youtu.be/gg5DDRuPBu8
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Old 08-29-2019, 08:38 AM
 
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Show me a rental in LA that you can get for $910 which is how much an SSI recipient receives. The problem is that many of the homeless receive SSI, SSDI or SS pensions but it doesn't even cover a motel room for more than a week or two. In LA as well as other urban areas, SRO's and cheap motels have been torn down with no thought about what will happen to the people living in them.

Chicago requires that before a motel is torn down or sold it has to be offered for sale to the City so that it could be rehabbed and converted into low cost housing. On the other hand Reno is tearing down as many old motels and hotels as they can. They kept a lot of people off the streets for many years because you could rent a room for $100-$150 a week which is affordable to many low income people and retirees. Here is a group of people at a meeting about tearing down the motels, most of them are (were) residents of those motels. Take a look at them, they don't look very scary do they? I can't help but wonder what they will look like after sleeping on the sidewalk for a year or two.
They chronic homeless can't pay rent because they are buying drugs and don't/can't work. Those who have lost a job, been priced out, etc., are still looking for work or a better job and just need temporary help. Building more units will help them, but not the chronic homeless.



The Social Security benefits for various groups were never intended to cover all expenses, just help. Misusing it is a major part of the issue. Our taxes go to drug dealers.



For those who will work and are not on drugs/alcohol more help is fine as they will stop becoming homeless.



The chronic homeless are the drug and alcohol abusers and the mentally challenged (With a few who like the life style). How do you actually help them? The druggies won't live in units where they can't do drugs and the mentally ill can't receive the help they need under today's laws.
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Old 08-29-2019, 08:56 AM
 
Location: Living rent free in your head
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They chronic homeless can't pay rent because they are buying drugs and don't/can't work. Those who have lost a job, been priced out, etc., are still looking for work or a better job and just need temporary help. Building more units will help them, but not the chronic homeless.
The Social Security benefits for various groups were never intended to cover all expenses, just help. Misusing it is a major part of the issue. Our taxes go to drug dealers.
For those who will work and are not on drugs/alcohol more help is fine as they will stop becoming homeless.
The chronic homeless are the drug and alcohol abusers and the mentally challenged (With a few who like the life style). How do you actually help them? The druggies won't live in units where they can't do drugs and the mentally ill can't receive the help they need under today's laws.
Many of the "chronic homeless" had places to live before rent became unaffordable. There is no reason to require sobriety in order to get a bed to sleep in. When you rent an apartment do you have to drug/alcohol test? Are you at risk of eviction if you drink a beer in your rental? So yeah, if there are conditions like 100% sobriety attached to housing many chronically homeless will opt to sleep on the street. It's absolutely necessary to put rules in place about not damaging property or disturbing other occupants but this BS about requiring people to "sober up" if they want a bed will prove as unsuccessful as it has every time it's been tried in the past.

There are options, even the stupid Mayor of Sacramento is finally catching on and realizing that we can't spend tens of millions on housing projects that only provide shelter to a small percentage of the homeless.

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Opening a “safe ground” for campers could also be cost effective; Harris estimates well under $1 million. By comparison, the two 100-bed shelters the council approved Tuesday will cost more than $20 million to open and operate for two years.

Harris suggested the tent city open next month and close in the spring, after a shelter under the W/X freeway opens. He has a few location ideas in his district – which includes the American River, East Sacramento, South Natomas and part of north Sacramento – but is not sure if they will work.

“It’s not a solution. It’s a way to get from here to there and mitigate the deep impacts on the street in the short term and create safety and hygiene,” Harris said. https://www.sacbee.com/news/local/ho...234483397.html
This is what they are finally considering for Sacramento, maybe you LA guys could forward this article to your City and County Officials? https://www.modbee.com/news/local/article230345544.html
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Old 08-30-2019, 06:11 AM
 
Location: So Ca
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"...Three months ago, a real estate investor purchased a Silver Lake complex and soon told all tenants to leave. Suddenly, 73-year-old Mario Canel faced the prospect of having to find a new home in a market where nearby studios rent for more than his monthly Social Security benefits — his sole means of support.

The threat of displacement and loss of community and routine can take a mental and physical toll. Experts say that’s especially true for seniors, who are perhaps the most vulnerable to California’s rising rents and evictions of any age group, and the fastest growing in the state."

Seniors facing eviction fear homelessness and isolation as California’s housing crisis rolls on:
https://www.latimes.com/business/sto...-crisis-impact
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Old 09-03-2019, 03:30 PM
 
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Two years and nine months since voters approved HHH, not one unit of housing financed by the measure is open. A single project with 62 units is scheduled to open in late November. Meanwhile, the landscape of the city, literally and figuratively, has only gotten more grim. Homelessness surged 16% in the city this year to about 36,000 people, 27,000 of whom are unsheltered. Encampments and trash proliferate across sidewalks and curbs.

To city residents, this is maddening — they’re spending more than a billion dollars on housing, and all they see are more people camped on sidewalks.

But here’s what they can’t see: Including this last round of recommendations, the city will be helping to create more than 8,000 units of housing. That includes 5,873 supportive housing units for homeless people who need social services, 1,641 affordable units for very-low-income Angelenos, and 975 smaller units being constructed of innovative materials for homeless residents. There are 1,400 units in construction right now, 1,000 of which are expected to be ready to occupy in 2020. An additional 3,713 are forecast to open in 2021.


You can’t see the results yet, but L.A.'s HHH homeless housing is being built:
https://www.latimes.com/opinion/stor...oney-allocated

Sounds like an excellent case for a mandatory death penalty for elected representatives and public sector employees who fail to solve the problem.
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Old 09-03-2019, 03:37 PM
 
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Many of the homeless are on SSI and still live on the streets because they are on drugs and alcohol that eat up their funds.
Sounds like we have a partial solution to the financial viability of Social Security: we should stop sending SSI to people who live on the streets and use their benefit to purchase drugs and alcohol.
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Old 09-03-2019, 03:57 PM
 
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"...Three months ago, a real estate investor purchased a Silver Lake complex and soon told all tenants to leave. Suddenly, 73-year-old Mario Canel faced the prospect of having to find a new home in a market where nearby studios rent for more than his monthly Social Security benefits — his sole means of support..."
50 years ago, when Mario Canel was 23, he could have saved for his retirement - but he decided not to.
49 years ago, when Mario Canel was 24, he could have saved for his retirement - but he decided not to.
48 years ago, when Mario Canel was 25, he could have saved for his retirement - but he decided not to.
47 years ago, when Mario Canel was 26, he could have saved for his retirement - but he decided not to.
46 years ago, when Mario Canel was 27, he could have saved for his retirement - but he decided not to.
45 years ago, when Mario Canel was 28, he could have saved for his retirement - but he decided not to.
44 years ago, when Mario Canel was 29, he could have saved for his retirement - but he decided not to.
43 years ago, when Mario Canel was 30, he could have saved for his retirement - but he decided not to.
42 years ago, when Mario Canel was 31, he could have saved for his retirement - but he decided not to.
41 years ago, when Mario Canel was 32, he could have saved for his retirement - but he decided not to.
40 years ago, when Mario Canel was 33, he could have saved for his retirement - but he decided not to.
39 years ago, when Mario Canel was 34, he could have saved for his retirement - but he decided not to.
38 years ago, when Mario Canel was 35, he could have saved for his retirement - but he decided not to.
37 years ago, when Mario Canel was 36, he could have saved for his retirement - but he decided not to.
36 years ago, when Mario Canel was 37, he could have saved for his retirement - but he decided not to.
35 years ago, when Mario Canel was 38, he could have saved for his retirement - but he decided not to.
34 years ago, when Mario Canel was 39, he could have saved for his retirement - but he decided not to.
33 years ago, when Mario Canel was 40, he could have saved for his retirement - but he decided not to.
32 years ago, when Mario Canel was 41, he could have saved for his retirement - but he decided not to.
31 years ago, when Mario Canel was 42, he could have saved for his retirement - but he decided not to.
30 years ago, when Mario Canel was 43, he could have saved for his retirement - but he decided not to.
29 years ago, when Mario Canel was 44, he could have saved for his retirement - but he decided not to.
28 years ago, when Mario Canel was 45, he could have saved for his retirement - but he decided not to.
27 years ago, when Mario Canel was 46, he could have saved for his retirement - but he decided not to.
26 years ago, when Mario Canel was 47, he could have saved for his retirement - but he decided not to.
25 years ago, when Mario Canel was 48, he could have saved for his retirement - but he decided not to.
24 years ago, when Mario Canel was 49, he could have saved for his retirement - but he decided not to.
23 years ago, when Mario Canel was 50, he could have saved for his retirement - but he decided not to.
22 years ago, when Mario Canel was 51, he could have saved for his retirement - but he decided not to.
21 years ago, when Mario Canel was 52, he could have saved for his retirement - but he decided not to.
20 years ago, when Mario Canel was 53, he could have saved for his retirement - but he decided not to.
19 years ago, when Mario Canel was 54, he could have saved for his retirement - but he decided not to.
18 years ago, when Mario Canel was 55, he could have saved for his retirement - but he decided not to.
17 years ago, when Mario Canel was 56, he could have saved for his retirement - but he decided not to.
16 years ago, when Mario Canel was 57, he could have saved for his retirement - but he decided not to.
15 years ago, when Mario Canel was 58, he could have saved for his retirement - but he decided not to.
14 years ago, when Mario Canel was 59, he could have saved for his retirement - but he decided not to.
13 years ago, when Mario Canel was 60, he could have saved for his retirement - but he decided not to.
12 years ago, when Mario Canel was 61, he could have saved for his retirement - but he decided not to.
11 years ago, when Mario Canel was 62, he could have saved for his retirement - but he decided not to.
10 years ago, when Mario Canel was 63, he could have saved for his retirement - but he decided not to.
9 years ago, when Mario Canel was 64, he could have saved for his retirement - but he decided not to.
8 years ago, when Mario Canel was 65, he could have saved for his retirement - but he decided not to.

Now. Tell me again how this isn't his sole & separate problem?
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Old 09-03-2019, 06:00 PM
 
Location: On the water.
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50 years ago, when Mario Canel was 23, he could have saved for his retirement - but he decided not to.
49 years ago, when Mario Canel was 24, he could have saved for his retirement - but he decided not to.
48 years ago, when Mario Canel was 25, he could have saved for his retirement - but he decided not to.
47 years ago, when Mario Canel was 26, he could have saved for his retirement - but he decided not to.
46 years ago, when Mario Canel was 27, he could have saved for his retirement - but he decided not to.
45 years ago, when Mario Canel was 28, he could have saved for his retirement - but he decided not to.
44 years ago, when Mario Canel was 29, he could have saved for his retirement - but he decided not to.
43 years ago, when Mario Canel was 30, he could have saved for his retirement - but he decided not to.
42 years ago, when Mario Canel was 31, he could have saved for his retirement - but he decided not to.
41 years ago, when Mario Canel was 32, he could have saved for his retirement - but he decided not to.
40 years ago, when Mario Canel was 33, he could have saved for his retirement - but he decided not to.
39 years ago, when Mario Canel was 34, he could have saved for his retirement - but he decided not to.
38 years ago, when Mario Canel was 35, he could have saved for his retirement - but he decided not to.
37 years ago, when Mario Canel was 36, he could have saved for his retirement - but he decided not to.
36 years ago, when Mario Canel was 37, he could have saved for his retirement - but he decided not to.
35 years ago, when Mario Canel was 38, he could have saved for his retirement - but he decided not to.
34 years ago, when Mario Canel was 39, he could have saved for his retirement - but he decided not to.
33 years ago, when Mario Canel was 40, he could have saved for his retirement - but he decided not to.
32 years ago, when Mario Canel was 41, he could have saved for his retirement - but he decided not to.
31 years ago, when Mario Canel was 42, he could have saved for his retirement - but he decided not to.
30 years ago, when Mario Canel was 43, he could have saved for his retirement - but he decided not to.
29 years ago, when Mario Canel was 44, he could have saved for his retirement - but he decided not to.
28 years ago, when Mario Canel was 45, he could have saved for his retirement - but he decided not to.
27 years ago, when Mario Canel was 46, he could have saved for his retirement - but he decided not to.
26 years ago, when Mario Canel was 47, he could have saved for his retirement - but he decided not to.
25 years ago, when Mario Canel was 48, he could have saved for his retirement - but he decided not to.
24 years ago, when Mario Canel was 49, he could have saved for his retirement - but he decided not to.
23 years ago, when Mario Canel was 50, he could have saved for his retirement - but he decided not to.
22 years ago, when Mario Canel was 51, he could have saved for his retirement - but he decided not to.
21 years ago, when Mario Canel was 52, he could have saved for his retirement - but he decided not to.
20 years ago, when Mario Canel was 53, he could have saved for his retirement - but he decided not to.
19 years ago, when Mario Canel was 54, he could have saved for his retirement - but he decided not to.
18 years ago, when Mario Canel was 55, he could have saved for his retirement - but he decided not to.
17 years ago, when Mario Canel was 56, he could have saved for his retirement - but he decided not to.
16 years ago, when Mario Canel was 57, he could have saved for his retirement - but he decided not to.
15 years ago, when Mario Canel was 58, he could have saved for his retirement - but he decided not to.
14 years ago, when Mario Canel was 59, he could have saved for his retirement - but he decided not to.
13 years ago, when Mario Canel was 60, he could have saved for his retirement - but he decided not to.
12 years ago, when Mario Canel was 61, he could have saved for his retirement - but he decided not to.
11 years ago, when Mario Canel was 62, he could have saved for his retirement - but he decided not to.
10 years ago, when Mario Canel was 63, he could have saved for his retirement - but he decided not to.
9 years ago, when Mario Canel was 64, he could have saved for his retirement - but he decided not to.
8 years ago, when Mario Canel was 65, he could have saved for his retirement - but he decided not to.

Now. Tell me again how this isn't his sole & separate problem?
Here’s how:
today you had to step over Mario Canel sleeping on the sidewalk.

Whatever he did or didn’t do in the past ...

whatever character flaw he had that put him in front of you ...

however “intellectually disabled” he might have been ...

etc ...

he’s lying in YOUR way.

So now YOU have a problem. You can:

1. Step over him everyday

2. Kill him (and go to prison for the rest of your life)

3. ... or find a way to legally move him out of your way.

Now you tell us: how do you propose to deal with your problem?
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Old 09-03-2019, 07:06 PM
 
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Now you tell us: how do you propose to deal with your problem?
Offer him a ride down to the docks & point out your boat & tell him he can stay with you.

Now. What are you going to do about YOUR problem?
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Old 09-03-2019, 08:42 PM
 
Location: On the water.
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Offer him a ride down to the docks & point out your boat & tell him he can stay with you.

Now. What are you going to do about YOUR problem?
Which problem? The one of posters ignorant of the topic contributing glib thoughtless sarcasm without merit? Or the homeless guy?

To the former, I’ll just continue exposing the foolishness.

To the latter, I’ll continue contributing topical information, and volunteer efforts in placement and counseling (of veterans mostly), as I have done for 30 years.

Now, back to my question for you, seriously this time: what will you do?
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