12-03-2019, 05:02 PM
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Tulemutt
Because it is a housing issue.
Show me one homeless person on the streets of LA today who was working a steady job and living in a good house.
Show me one homeless person in LA today who is able to hold a high paying job.
Show me one homeless person on the streets of LA today who is capable of gaining employment paying them the salary it requires to live in LA.
No it's not a housing issue...that's the myth you want to spread.
Anyone with half a brain can look at the homeless in all the recent videos I've posted and see that no one of them is capable of taking a job that would pay them the salary required to live in LA.
None appeared to be able to hold a job or even get a job. Many had mental issues and are not capable of working.
It's a drug/alcohol and mental issue crisis. 75% of the homeless on the streets of LA have serious drug/alcohol abuse addictions and 78% are have serious mental issues.
The longer you deny these people the care they need the longer they will live just as they are now.
12-03-2019, 05:08 PM
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Are many homeless people in L.A. mentally ill? New findings back the public’s perception
The only thing that's going to work to clean up this crisis is the following:
First thing, is we revise the Lanternman-Petris Act.
Second thing is we expand conservatorships.
Third thing is we create some sort of facilities or focal areas of wraparound services for the chronically mentally ill.
Fourthly, we start enforcing drug laws and helping motivate drug addicts to get better.
Thinking it's a housing issue will never address the true issue.
12-03-2019, 05:14 PM
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Show me one homeless person on the streets of LA today who was working a steady job and living in a good house.
Not one of your assessments of condition is required for a person to be housed in communities all across the nation that have inexpensive housing availability. There are many drug addicts and alcoholics and persons suffering mental illness who have pensions / support / even jobs of some kind, but insufficient to meet housing costs in LA, San Francisco, Seattle, Washington D.C., Boston, Honolulu, Portland, Austin, and other high rent cities.
It matters not if housing inventory exists if the costs are out of reach of marginalized residents.
Anyone with half a brain can see that an alcoholic senior retired guy living on $1200 a month SS can find a $200 a month room in a shared single-wide in Alabama ... but can’t get a room of any kind for even $200 a week in San Francisco.
12-03-2019, 05:16 PM
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I’m not denying anyone anything ... Except a free pass to post stupid oversimplifications without pointing them out as such.
12-03-2019, 05:20 PM
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Tulemutt
I’m not denying anyone anything ... Except a free pass to post stupid oversimplifications without pointing them out as such.
I agree that stating it's a housing issue is stupid and misses the mark completely.
12-03-2019, 05:21 PM
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Matadora
I agree that stating it's a housing issue is stupid and misses the mark completely.
You’d be mis-agreeing since that’s not what I agreed.
12-04-2019, 10:22 AM
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Part 2. He exposes the facts about prop 47 and other laws and bills.the 19% of the homeless in LA are from other states . Sad freaking story how this came about.How do you expect society to address this problem unless we know the truth or what we're dealing with.
“19% from other states”, huh ... a meaningless statistic without clarification on:
How long they were residents of California / LA before becoming homeless ... especially given that over a full 1/3rd of Californians, housed and homeless alike, were not born in the state ... that would be a pool of about 13 million, btw.
Studied facts are: 65% of LA homeless lived 20 years or more in the city; another 10% lived 10 - 20 years in LA; another 7%, 5 - 10 years ... 13% arrived from out of state.
As to mental illness? Of course it’s a problem ... everywhere, not just on the streets. Here’s some sobering facts:
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43.8 million adults experience mental illness in a given year. 1 in 5 adults in America experience a mental illness. Nearly 1 in 25 (10 million) adults in America live with a serious mental illness.
. It’s also a fact that some of the mental illness endured by the homeless is a result of having become homeless. Same with alcohol and drug addiction.
Set that aside for a moment and just consider the implication of the national mental illness numbers:
There are 43 million Americans experiencing mental health challenges in any given year.
10 million of them have serious mental illness
There are approximately ½ million homeless
... thus, if every homeless person was to be classified as mentally ill (a ridiculous fiction), they would represent just slightly over 1% of America’s mental illness problem. Given that the mental illness % among homeless isn’t even half that exercise, by any stretch of any imagination, you’d have less than a 1/2% ...
Now you want to overturn/create law to allow forceable treatment ... but selectively apply to only persons who are homeless? Which would create precedent for arbitrary applications to larger populations. This to address 1/2% of the nation’s mental illness problem, huh.
Same with alcoholism and drug addiction. Alcoholics and drug addicts survive in the housed and employed workforce / population by the 10’s of millions also.
The point of challenging these reductionist “simple” solutions isn’t to deny the problems. It is to diligently, vigorously defend the freedoms of 320 million Americans.
THIS is why all these “simple solutions” suggesting “no one talks about”, “no one admits the real problem”, etc. are not, in fact, so simple. It isn’t just 500,000 homeless who are at risk ... it’s 320 million Americans’ freedoms that must be preserved in the process of solving the crisis.
12-04-2019, 07:24 PM
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Interesting that Watkins appears to know so much about the homeless, given that he's a spine surgeon (who treats the L.A. Dodgers, Rams, and Clippers).
lol no kidding and according to Matadora he's also an expert on prop 47, he must be quite a guy, huh?
12-04-2019, 07:40 PM
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lol no kidding and according to Matadora he's also an expert on prop 47, he must be quite a guy, huh?
Renaissance man ...
12-06-2019, 05:39 PM
Location: So Ca
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I hope Trump intervenes soon.
He has. Doesn't look as if it'll be of help.
Trump has appointed Robert Marbut as executive director of the U.S. Interagency Council on Homelessness.
Besides other criticisms,
"perhaps the most troubling thing about Marbut’s approach to homelessness is not his widely reported crackdowns on public meal distributions, but his skepticism of the “housing first” approach to getting people off the street. This widely embraced strategy seeks to house homeless people first, before they have started receiving help to tackle mental illness and substance abuse problems. But Marbut told the Huffington Post a couple of years ago that he believes in “housing fourth,” or requiring people to get their personal lives in order before providing them a place to call home."
Kind of hard to get your life in order when you don't have a place to live.
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People in Group quarters - Homes or halfway houses for drug/alcohol abuse (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally retarded (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Other group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Religious group quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - Dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Agriculture workers' dormitories on farms (%)
People in Group quarters - Job Corps and vocational training facilities (%)
People in Group quarters - Other workers' dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Crews of maritime vessels (%)
People in Group quarters - Other nonhousehold living situations (%)
People in Group quarters - Other noninstitutional group quarters (%)
Residents speaking English at home (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking other language at home (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Foreign born (%)
Class of Workers - Employee of private company (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed in own incorporated business (%)
Class of Workers - Private not-for-profit wage and salary workers (%)
Class of Workers - Local government workers (%)
Class of Workers - State government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Federal government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed workers in own not incorporated business and Unpaid family workers (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - No fuel used (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - No fuel used (%)
Armed forces status - In Armed Forces (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Veteran (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Nonveteran (%)
Fatal accidents locations in years 2005-2021
Fatal accidents locations in 2005
Fatal accidents locations in 2006
Fatal accidents locations in 2007
Fatal accidents locations in 2008
Fatal accidents locations in 2009
Fatal accidents locations in 2010
Fatal accidents locations in 2011
Fatal accidents locations in 2012
Fatal accidents locations in 2013
Fatal accidents locations in 2014
Fatal accidents locations in 2015
Fatal accidents locations in 2016
Fatal accidents locations in 2017
Fatal accidents locations in 2018
Fatal accidents locations in 2019
Fatal accidents locations in 2020
Fatal accidents locations in 2021
Alcohol use - People drinking some alcohol every month (%)
Alcohol use - People not drinking at all (%)
Alcohol use - Average days/month drinking alcohol
Alcohol use - Average drinks/week
Alcohol use - Average days/year people drink much
Audiometry - Average condition of hearing (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear a whisper from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear normal voice from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - Ears ringing, roaring, buzzing (%)
Audiometry - Had a job exposure to loud noise (%)
Audiometry - Had off-work exposure to loud noise (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high blood pressure (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Checking blood pressure at home (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Frequently checking blood cholesterol (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high cholesterol level (%)
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at supermarket/grocery store
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at other stores
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on eating out
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on carryout/delivered foods
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at supermarket/grocery store (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at other stores (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on eating out (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on carryout/delivered foods (%)
Current Health Status - General health condition (%)
Current Health Status - Blood donors (%)
Current Health Status - Has blood ever tested for HIV virus (%)
Current Health Status - Left-handed people (%)
Dermatology - People using sunscreen (%)
Diabetes - Diabetics (%)
Diabetes - Had a blood test for high blood sugar (%)
Diabetes - People taking insulin (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Diet health (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Milk product consumption (# of products/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals not home prepared (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals from fast food or pizza place (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Ready-to-eat foods (#/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Frozen meals/pizza (#/month)
Drug Use - People that ever used marijuana or hashish (%)
Drug Use - Ever used hard drugs (%)
Drug Use - Ever used any form of cocaine (%)
Drug Use - Ever used heroin (%)
Drug Use - Ever used methamphetamine (%)
Health Insurance - People covered by health insurance (%)
Kidney Conditions-Urology - Avg. # of times urinating at night
Medical Conditions - People with asthma (%)
Medical Conditions - People with anemia (%)
Medical Conditions - People with psoriasis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with overweight (%)
Medical Conditions - Elderly people having difficulties in thinking or remembering (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever received blood transfusion (%)
Medical Conditions - People having trouble seeing even with glass/contacts (%)
Medical Conditions - People with arthritis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with gout (%)
Medical Conditions - People with congestive heart failure (%)
Medical Conditions - People with coronary heart disease (%)
Medical Conditions - People with angina pectoris (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had heart attack (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had stroke (%)
Medical Conditions - People with emphysema (%)
Medical Conditions - People with thyroid problem (%)
Medical Conditions - People with chronic bronchitis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with any liver condition (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had cancer or malignancy (%)
Mental Health - People who have little interest in doing things (%)
Mental Health - People feeling down, depressed, or hopeless (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble sleeping or sleeping too much (%)
Mental Health - People feeling tired or having little energy (%)
Mental Health - People with poor appetite or overeating (%)
Mental Health - People feeling bad about themself (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble concentrating on things (%)
Mental Health - People moving or speaking slowly or too fast (%)
Mental Health - People having thoughts they would be better off dead (%)
Oral Health - Average years since last visit a dentist
Oral Health - People embarrassed because of mouth (%)
Oral Health - People with gum disease (%)
Oral Health - General health of teeth and gums (%)
Oral Health - Average days a week using dental floss/device
Oral Health - Average days a week using mouthwash for dental problem
Oral Health - Average number of teeth
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to control insects (%)
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to kill weeds (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People walking or bicycling (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - Average hours a day doing sedentary activities
Physical Activity - Average hours a day watching TV or videos
Physical Activity - Average hours a day using computer
Physical Functioning - People having limitations keeping them from working (%)
Physical Functioning - People limited in amount of work they can do (%)
Physical Functioning - People that need special equipment to walk (%)
Physical Functioning - People experiencing confusion/memory problems (%)
Physical Functioning - People requiring special healthcare equipment (%)
Prescription Medications - Average number of prescription medicines taking
Preventive Aspirin Use - Adults 40+ taking low-dose aspirin (%)
Reproductive Health - Vaginal deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Cesarean deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Deliveries resulted in a live birth (%)
Reproductive Health - Pregnancies resulted in a delivery (%)
Reproductive Health - Women breastfeeding newborns (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had a hysterectomy (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had both ovaries removed (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever taken birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women taking birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used Depo-Provera or injectables (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used female hormones (%)
Sexual Behavior - People 18+ that ever had sex (vaginal, anal, or oral) (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had anal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had any sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had anal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had any kind of sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first had sex
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female vaginal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a woman (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of woman performed oral sex on in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male anal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a man (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male oral sex partners in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - People using protection when performing oral sex (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of times people have vaginal or anal sex a year
Sexual Behavior - People having sex without condom (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male vaginal sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Circumcised males 18+ (%)
Sleep Disorders - Average hours sleeping at night
Sleep Disorders - People that has trouble sleeping (%)
Smoking-Cigarette Use - People smoking cigarettes (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with smell (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with taste (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had wisdom teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had tonsils teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a loss of consciousness because of a head injury (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a broken nose or other serious injury to face or skull (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had two or more sinus infections (%)
Weight - Average height (inches)
Weight - Average weight (pounds)
Weight - Average BMI
Weight - People that are obese (%)
Weight - People that ever were obese (%)
Weight - People trying to lose weight (%)
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