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Joanie, I don't and didn't mean to insult any one, especially a thinking liberal because insults are not a way to gain friends or influence people. I do, however, stand behind my point that if liberals are truly thinking they wouldn't be liberal. Now, I can't blame a liberal for being a liberal, but I will challenge any liberal willing to unlearn what our PC national educational system has taught. I bet you a dollar that your wonderfully intelligent sister and I could debate things such as Socialism vs Capitalism or Crime vs Punishment and she would come away an even greater genius. I am certainly not a genius, but I bet you that your sister and I could spend a day in conversation and her liberal attitudes would have some adjustments.
Well I don't know about that - she's pretty stubborn. You'd probably have better luck with me! LOL
Joanie, I don't and didn't mean to insult any one, especially a thinking liberal because insults are not a way to gain friends or influence people. I do, however, stand behind my point that if liberals are truly thinking they wouldn't be liberal. Now, I can't blame a liberal for being a liberal, but I will challenge any liberal willing to unlearn what our PC national educational system has taught. I bet you a dollar that your wonderfully intelligent sister and I could debate things such as Socialism vs Capitalism or Crime vs Punishment and she would come away an even greater genius. I am certainly not a genius, but I bet you that your sister and I could spend a day in conversation and her liberal attitudes would have some adjustments.
Oh, BTW, I wasn't insulted. I actually thought the way you put was pretty amusing. Not that I AGREED.....
Oh, BTW, I wasn't insulted. I actually thought the way you put was pretty amusing. Not that I AGREED.....
Thank you... I like being a bit of a teaser, but it's hard to do that with just words. The eyes, face, and body language is so important.
The main point I stress in Liberal verses Conservative issues simply deal with free market economies and supply verses demand principles. I dare anyone of any educational intelligence to debate me on those.
Thank you... I like being a bit of a teaser, but it's hard to do that with just words. The eyes, face, and body language is so important.
The main point I stress in Liberal verses Conservative issues simply deal with free market economies and supply verses demand principles. I dare anyone of any educational intelligence to debate me on those.
Well,having read your profile it certainly won't be me. I am not a historian or terribly interested in politics (unlike my sis). My reasons for being a liberal democrat are far more rooted in humanitarianism than anything else. As Billy Holiday said, "Those that got shall get, those that not shall lose." That has always seemed to be the Republican mantra. The programs they cut first are always those that aid the less fortunate. Tax advantages go to the rich. And also, you have to admit that our last two Republican presidents have the left the country in a huge economic deficit, while Pres. Clinton left us with a surplus. This is not getting to the root of your beliefs, I realize. As far as Capitalism goes, I do think it leads to greed, which is in large part why our country is in such economic trouble right now. There is the flip side of this thinking as Gordon Gecko said in "Wall Street", "Greed is Good." BTW, Wall Street 2 is coming out soon - it was a favorite movie of mine. Anyway, I'm babbling and it is late and, as I said, I am not equippped to debate you on the issues you state. I don't understand your supply versus demand point - I understand supply and demand - I was a realtor a while back, but as far as liberal and conservative I don't understand - but it does interest me. So, I AM a thinking person but don't pretend to be the most informed person when it comes to either politics or history. Thanks for your thoughts and if you would like to DM me I would be interested in hearing more.
And as a ps - I only have a BA in Liberal Arts - not a JD like my sister. As as almost everyone knows, people with Liberal Arts degrees pursue that not only to avoid math but to actually avoid a major - we prefer to know a little about a lot of things. Probably why I had a career in PR - was pretty good with the written and spoken word and even better at "tap dancing." LOL
And as a ps - I only have a BA in Liberal Arts - not a JD like my sister. As as almost everyone knows, people with Liberal Arts degrees pursue that not only to avoid math but to actually avoid a major - we prefer to know a little about a lot of things. Probably why I had a career in PR - was pretty good with the written and spoken word and even better at "tap dancing." LOL
Joanie, you are a fine person. I can decipher from your writings the absolute jewel of a caring lady that you are.
What you did tell me about your understanding of the political parties was what I fight with all due respect. I was a flaming liberal Democrat who voted for McCarthy, Mondale, and Carter x 2. Then, especially after I became an auctioneer, I realized that Reagan was correct and this has become my attitude, "you can give a man a fish everyday... or you can teach him to fish once." I believe that the ultimate effect of the Democrats whether intentional or otherwise, is to keep the poor "down on the plantation" however, poor people of every color are now the slaves to the system. The other effect of the liberal agenda is that the oligopolies grow and become "too big to fail."
I will also note that prior to the 2006 Congressional change of power, our nation's economy under GW Bush grew. I don't agree with all Bush did, but I find that more of the blame can be truly tagged to Barney Frank, Harry Reid, Chris Dodd, Joe Biden, and even the Carter era Democrat "super-majority" than the Republicans. Also, please note that until the "Contract with America" developed by the GOP leadership following the 1994 elections, Clinton was running backwards too.
Please study history and not the liberal publishers. As Paul Harvey would say, when "the rest of the story" is told, liberals aren't liberal anymore. I went beyond the headlines and found that I was wrong.
Thank you... I like being a bit of a teaser, but it's hard to do that with just words. The eyes, face, and body language is so important.
The main point I stress in Liberal verses Conservative issues simply deal with free market economies and supply verses demand principles. I dare anyone of any educational intelligence to debate me on those.
Im not a liberal or conservative, just a humanist....I guess I
believe in real Socialism, not FOX News T-Bag "Obamas a
Muslum Socialist" version of it.
I would debate you Mr. Cox, but its not necessary. The result
of the free market capitalist system can be seen just by opening the
front page of any newspaper or looking at the state of our economy
right now. Says more than I ever could.
That being said...We are another SE couple who have been to
L-Ville, researched areas and are coming again over christmas.
Hopefully I will get to debate you in person when our time comes
to actually relocate ?
We want- small - garage - Cherokee Park ???
To stay mildly on-topic...to the OP, dont believe magazine
polls. If you havent been to Louisville, you will be blown away
by how friendly everyone is coming from Southeast Florida.
If we werent contractually bound here, I would have just
stayed on our last visit. Our time spent on Bardstown road
sealed it for me. Relocating is always a long, painful process
but Im actually looking forward to this one
Im not a liberal or conservative, just a humanist....I guess I
believe in real Socialism, not FOX News T-Bag "Obamas a
Muslum Socialist" version of it.
I would debate you Mr. Cox, but its not necessary. The result
of the free market capitalist system can be seen just by opening the
front page of any newspaper or looking at the state of our economy
right now. Says more than I ever could.
That being said...We are another SE couple who have been to
L-Ville, researched areas and are coming again over christmas.
Hopefully I will get to debate you in person when our time comes
to actually relocate ?
We want- small - garage - Cherokee Park ???
To stay mildly on-topic...to the OP, dont believe magazine
polls. If you havent been to Louisville, you will be blown away
by how friendly everyone is coming from Southeast Florida.
If we werent contractually bound here, I would have just
stayed on our last visit. Our time spent on Bardstown road
sealed it for me. Relocating is always a long, painful process
but Im actually looking forward to this one
I hope to have that opportunity to debate socialism verses capitalism. Just keep in mind that true capitalism has not been evident in America since the 1930's. It has taken nearly 80 years, but socialism, or the Marxist theories have destroyed people's need to work, and when not working but getting fed, there isn't much more to do than to make babies and have fun which often leads to myschief.
I hope to have that opportunity to debate socialism verses capitalism. Just keep in mind that true capitalism has not been evident in America since the 1930's. It has taken nearly 80 years, but socialism, or the Marxist theories have destroyed people's need to work, and when not working but getting fed, there isn't much more to do than to make babies and have fun which often leads to myschief.
You know one thing I believe no one has taken into consideration is the 50 percent divorce rate that exists today. We live in an economic climate (and have for many years) that for the most part takes 2 incomes to support a family. these children did not ask to be born, but I do believe it is our reponsiblily to help make sure their parent can provide for them. A single parent making a low wage cannot afford to do that. Daycare costs around $400 a week in a lot of places. Do you think they do not deserve some sort of assistance from our government? I don't honestly think the small stipends of SSI etc are an incentive not to work - except perhaps for those who do not aspire to leave the ghetto. This is not the 50's. I do think people who cannot afford children should not keep on having them but that is not the case for many. Maybe I AM a socialist at heart but that is not what I really want. I want a country that encourages brains and talent and sweat to achieve a person's potential. I have never believed in personal equality. But not everyone has great personal assets and they deserve to live a decent life as much as anyone else as long as they are willing to strive for it.
You know one thing I believe no one has taken into consideration is the 50 percent divorce rate that exists today. We live in an economic climate (and have for many years) that for the most part takes 2 incomes to support a family. these children did not ask to be born, but I do believe it is our reponsiblily to help make sure their parent can provide for them. A single parent making a low wage cannot afford to do that. Daycare costs around $400 a week in a lot of places. Do you think they do not deserve some sort of assistance from our government? I don't honestly think the small stipends of SSI etc are an incentive not to work - except perhaps for those who do not aspire to leave the ghetto. This is not the 50's. I do think people who cannot afford children should not keep on having them but that is not the case for many. Maybe I AM a socialist at heart but that is not what I really want. I want a country that encourages brains and talent and sweat to achieve a person's potential. I have never believed in personal equality. But not everyone has great personal assets and they deserve to live a decent life as much as anyone else as long as they are willing to strive for it.
Joanie, again there are excellent points in your post. No one takes joy in saying no, but if saying no means we get to say yes more often, would you favor that?
I feel we are a bit off-base with this topic on this thread, so I shall hope that you and maybe your sister, will accept my invitation to a day in Kentucky soon. I certainly enjoy hearing and discussing such issues with people such as you. While you don't call yourself a genius, I must beg to differ. I believe you are "a worthy opponent."
Let's you and I start a discussion that might turn into a national change that truly saves our nation while providing our people with the greatest standard of living at all levels imaginable.
Since the 1980's when I saw the health care crisis developing, I have said that it would take efforts on every player's part. Likewise, in order to fix poverty in America, it will take all the players making changes. Does America have the true political will to say no to themselves?
If you would accept my invitation, please send me a PM. I would be very honored.
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