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Old 12-22-2016, 10:50 AM
 
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LOL. Right poor people should not have children. Tell that to the world.

Quite honestly I agree with you...but you are usually so PC timberline...that is a very un PC statement to make.
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Old 12-22-2016, 11:01 AM
 
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LOL. Right poor people should not have children. Tell that to the world.

Quite honestly I agree with you...but you are usually so PC timberline...that is a very un PC statement to make.
OK, we can just import more people from unstable 3rd world countries to have them for us. I can assure you they will have no issue doing this...and guess who will end up paying to support them!!!
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Old 12-22-2016, 11:05 AM
 
Location: RI, MA, VT, WI, IL, CA, IN (that one sucked), KY
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LOL. Right poor people should not have children. Tell that to the world.

Quite honestly I agree with you...but you are usually so PC timberline...that is a very un PC statement to make.


Haha, very few people that know me would consider me PC at all. It's just that this board/forum is very conservative, so here I am, on a relative basis. I don't know anyone that would consider personal fiscal responsibility to be anti-PC though.
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Old 12-22-2016, 11:12 AM
 
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Haha, very few people that know me would consider me PC at all. It's just that this board/forum is very conservative, so here I am, on a relative basis. I don't know anyone that would consider personal fiscal responsibility to be anti-PC though.
Do you realize that if everybody went by your own strategy, society would not likely survive? Probably none of us would be here to have this conversation right now.
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Old 12-22-2016, 11:12 AM
 
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I always thought 'conservative' and 'PC' didn't really mesh well together.
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Old 12-22-2016, 11:14 AM
 
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I always thought 'conservative' and 'PC' didn't really mesh well together.
Many are fiscally conservative and PC at the same time.


Many old school liberals are not PC at all.
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Old 12-22-2016, 11:18 AM
 
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Many are fiscally conservative and PC at the same time.


Many old school liberals are not PC at all.
Ah, so more of the 'delicate sensibilities' type of PC as opposed to the 'making up pronouns' variety?
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Old 12-22-2016, 11:21 AM
 
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This is why you don't have children unless you can absolutely be sure that you can support them properly one one income, and one less than you're making. It's one reason I ended up not marrying the person I was engaged to, we could not agree on that issue.

Which yes, means very few people around here would have children. That's fine.

It also means not buying a house that pushes you financially at all. If everyone did that, prices wouldn't be so high.


That is for one person, and 80k still has to be at, or above, the median household income for the area. I know this is a wealthy and conservative forum, but really, not too many people in the world are going to have sympathy for six figure earners "only" making 80k or whatever.

You do understand many of these laid off technical career people are not making 80k, many are working for minimum wage at Home Depot or similar with little hope of using the educations or skills they paid for and worked hard to have.

And I can assure you the ones I know who have children, who started their careers in the 1980s and 1990s never imagined a world where entire department in corporations were eliminated to be offshored, with jobs never returning.
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Old 12-22-2016, 11:26 AM
 
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Do you realize that if everybody went by your own strategy, society would not likely survive? Probably none of us would be here to have this conversation right now.
It would survive quite fine, especially since so many costs would fall, a new equilibrium would be reached.

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Many are fiscally conservative and PC at the same time.
Yup, and very few "conservatives" are conservative at all, they just prioritize different things.

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You do understand many of these laid off technical career people are not making 80k, many are working for minimum wage at Home Depot or similar with little hope of using the educations or skills they paid for and worked hard to have.

And I can assure you the ones I know who have children, who started their careers in the 1980s and 1990s never imagined a world where entire department in corporations were eliminated to be offshored, with jobs never returning.
Many? Some. The talent market is tight and people are still getting recruited like crazy (esp around here).

And I can't comment on the 80s, but in the 90s in school such scenarios were very very much talked about, we definitely discussed things like what skills and careers would be less outsourceable, the writing was on the wall once we got internet in the libraries. The speed it happened was a surprise though.
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Old 12-22-2016, 11:39 AM
 
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It would survive quite fine, especially since so many costs would fall, a new equilibrium would be reached.

No, because people will never be "comfortable" enough even if costs do come more in line with typical wages (going by your rules anyway). Saying that, especially with our economy becoming more service dominated; any decline in middle-class spending will result in even lower middle-class wages. But even back when COL was more reasonable in the 50s and 60s, the average provider could not absorb a significant cut in pay. People have always stretched themselves when having kids, always will.

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Yup, and very few "conservatives" are conservative at all, they just prioritize different things.
I don't even know what a "conservative" is anymore.
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