MA 2022 Question 1 (Boston, Brookline, Chicopee: professionals, to move, bars)

[WestieWhitie]

Originally Posted by msRB311

I am having trouble understanding who this would effect? It sounds like it's not for someone who makes a million a year but someone who is selling a business or house or cashing out an account worth over a million?

I did vote NO on this for the record.

It will be you soon - with Baker gone there's nothing stopping our politburo from turning Massachusetts into Mao-ssachusetts. Give it a couple years and that $1M threshold will magically turn into $100,000, and our homie will still be ubering in Hamstersam and telling us he doesn't feel bad about all the working professional households having to shell out an extra $8-12K.

[id77]

Originally Posted by WestieWhitie

It will be you soon - with Baker gone there's nothing stopping our politburo from turning Massachusetts into Mao-ssachusetts. Give it a couple years and that $1M threshold will magically turn into $100,000, and our homie will still be ubering in Hamstersam and telling us he doesn't feel bad about all the working professional households having to shell out an extra $8-12K.

If they could 'magically' set it to whatever they wanted without warning, why even have a question on the ballet in the first place?

To get from a 4% tax on income above $1 million to an 8-12% tax on income over $100k, in "a couple years", isn't a slippery slope -- it's the Cliffs of Insanity.

[msRB311]

Originally Posted by id77

If they could 'magically' set it to whatever they wanted without warning, why even have a question on the ballet in the first place?

To get from a 4% tax on income above $1 million to an 8-12% tax on income over $100k, in "a couple years", isn't a slippery slope -- it's the Cliffs of Insanity.

If that actually happens my guess would be there would be an exodus of people leaving the state.

[WestieWhitie]

Originally Posted by id77

If they could 'magically' set it to whatever they wanted without warning, why even have a question on the ballet in the first place?

To get from a 4% tax on income above $1 million to an 8-12% tax on income over $100k, in "a couple years", isn't a slippery slope -- it's the Cliffs of Insanity.

Anything is possible when there's no one to keep politburo in check, just look at Illinois.

[BostonBornMassMade]

Originally Posted by msRB311

If that actually happens my guess would be there would be an exodus of people leaving the state.

There would be but thats not going to happen.

[timberline742]

Originally Posted by maclel

It is simply not true. More spending is only tied to teachers' compensation. Just look at the spending per capita for all the towns in MA and run a correlation. It does not make any difference. What makes a difference is having parents who care about their children's education and actually push them and ensure they behave in class. Unfortunately money picked from well-off people's pockets can't buy that. Until we replace the progressive mantra of spending for the reality of having a culture that values excellence, hard work and competence things won't improve.

It is true. And running a simple correlation will not show anything. One needs a much more complex analysis. Thankfully researchers do exactly this.

[WestieWhitie]

Originally Posted by timberline742

It is true. And running a simple correlation will not show anything. One needs a much more complex analysis. Thankfully researchers do exactly this.

Amigo, we'd have much better outcomes all around if we were not spending countless billions on all the "researchers" and "consultants" who are either studying the effects of racism on penguin migration or taking ten years and tens of millions of taxpayer dollars to finally tell us that water is in fact wet.

[GeoffD]

Originally Posted by maclel

It is simply not true. More spending is only tied to teachers' compensation. Just look at the spending per capita for all the towns in MA and run a correlation. It does not make any difference. What makes a difference is having parents who care about their children's education and actually push them and ensure they behave in class. Unfortunately money picked from well-off people's pockets can't buy that. Until we replace the progressive mantra of spending for the reality of having a culture that values excellence, hard work and competence things won't improve.

Sure, but what do you do with the children who need special ed? That’s expensive and mostly socioeconomic. The cherry sheet props up school systems in the failed cities but it’s not enough to get people up to grade level. I think it’s the only way to break the cycle of generational poverty.

[MikePRU]

Interesting to see the map in this article of how each town voted on Question 1. Shocking that places like Weston and Wellesley would have so few "yes" votes!

https://www.boston.com/news/politics...on-1-town-map/

[massnative71]

Originally Posted by MikePRU

Interesting to see the map in this article of how each town voted on Question 1. Shocking that places like Weston and Wellesley would have so few "yes" votes!

https://www.boston.com/news/politics...on-1-town-map/

Makes sense to me, that towns like Bridgewater where most people work hard for a living will be the least supportive of this. Remember that even in Weston or Wellesley, most do not earn over $1 million in a year.