01-22-2011, 04:29 PM
Location: in a pond with the other human scum
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That would likely have been me and I make no apologies for it. Perhaps we MO Ozarkers are either more discerning or simply prefer things the way they are here and don't want a lot of "progressiveness" introduced into our social environment. When someone from elsewhere, no matter where it is, bursts on board telling us how we should act, what they will and won't stand for and how they'll hope to open our eyes for us, we pretty much collectively take umbrage. It's that lovely spirit of independence and individuality that prevails here.
You don't have to apologize. You are who you are, and at least you get over to some other states' threads to see what people were saying. It's just wrong, however, to think that the tone of which we speak here is universal, even throughout the South or the Midwest.
For a while, I thought the OP was running a joke-- about five minutes' reading of the Missouri (non-KC or StL) threads would have sufficed to educate him as to the prevailing thought pattern. Or rent "Winter's Bone" on video.
01-22-2011, 08:25 PM
Location: Finally escaped The People's Republic of California
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Essentially the same question, from a person who describes him/herself much the same as the OP here, on the
Arkansas board . Only one contributor to that thread had the same kind of tone as the prevailing one on this thread.
and here's one from this forum that went quite differently, of course this person didin't come in with additude...
Relocate to Ashland or another small town in the area?
03-24-2011, 11:31 AM
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I kow this post is a couple of months out but if you are still considering Missouri, I thought you might like my opinion.
I am a 52 year old single woman; I moved to Missouri (my birthplace) a year and a half ago to be close to family members. In that time, dealing with family issues, I have lived in Springfield, Buffalo and just outside of Jefferson City. This is generally how I feel about Missouri.
1. Cost of Living: Seems VERY affordable.
I find Missouri to be affordable.
2. Education:
I don't know anything in this area.
3. Culture: I am about as liberal and loving as they come. I accept a wide range of diversity, but I do NOT like discrimination. If I see it or hear it, I WILL say something. I do not like sterotyping, but us West Coasters have a narrow view of the south as...well... not friendly to people who are not white or hetero sexual... is this the wrong idea to have? Are there pockets of places where open minded people cluster
I too am much more open minded than not and being friendly is just the way I am. I can tell you that as a rule Missouri has not welcomed me. I find people to be very much to themselves; they don't say hello or thank you or anything remotely related to social interaction and actually, I feel like they want me to go away.
Columbia seems to be where "open minded people cluster" but I'm not sure about the affordability.
4. Land: It looks beautiful... not as hilly as Oregon, but kind of swampy and foresty looking on Wikipedia. I like nature, water, and being outside so I hope to be somewhere that is pretty.
It IS beautiful here... REALLY WOW!
I do not want to rush into a place where I am seen as a CRAZY transplant who is rejected for my values, and always hitting my head against a wall...
That's exactly where I am.
Good Luck to you!
03-24-2011, 12:41 PM
Location: SW MO
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I always greet the news that someone doesn't feel welcome or is unable to fit in when they move to a new state with some surprise. I've lived in nine states in different areas and three other countries. I have never had a problem fitting in and getting along. Some I've liked more than others but there's only one I wouldn't care to return to and it certainly isn't Missouri, which I don't plan to leave in the first place.
06-02-2011, 02:35 PM
Location: www.debstover.com
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I currently live in the Colorado Springs area--redneck USA--and spent 5 years in Portland, Oregon, which we loved. I have to add we lived here in CO Springs for 11 years prior to the PDX gig.
06-02-2011, 03:06 PM
Location: Tower Grove East, St. Louis, MO
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^Seriously, the idea of being so right-wing that you're unwilling to pay for basic city services like lightposts on city streets is stunning to me. Usually people hate taxes until things get cut that they care about, but the backlash in CS was strangely missing.
06-02-2011, 03:23 PM
Location: Silver Springs, FL
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I currently live in the Colorado Springs area--redneck USA--and spent 5 years in Portland, Oregon, which we loved. I have to add we lived here in CO Springs for 11 years prior to the PDX gig.
Who, exactly, are you addressing the "get over the redneck stuff" remark to?
06-02-2011, 04:08 PM
Location: MO
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I currently live in the Colorado Springs area--redneck USA--and spent 5 years in Portland, Oregon, which we loved. I have to add we lived here in CO Springs for 11 years prior to the PDX gig.
If you agree with "live and let live", then how come it shouldn't apply to the situation you describe? Why can't the government "Live and let live"? If those people believe that is the best way to run their city than let them. I agree that sounds pretty d$^% crazy to refuse to pay for street lights but hey if that's how they wanna live they should be able to do it.
We aren't talkin bout "Redneck Stuff" in these threads. When I have someone ask how it would be to move here and then proceed to put us in a box of "States with narrow minded attitudes in the South or Midwest" then I really quit givin a damn what that person thinks & I DON'T WANT THEM TO MOVE HERE! But that's fine most Left Coasters stay away from SE Missouri cause it's their absolute worst nightmare
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So to anyone thinkin about moving to Missouri, come with an open mind or don't come at all. This is comparable to the idiots who post in the Mississippi forum wondering if the KKK is going to meet them at the state line if their not a WASP. Good grief
06-02-2011, 08:20 PM
Location: SW MO
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Background: I grew up in Wichita, Kansas. Both my parents are from the Ozarks. I spent every summer there. I'm very, very familiar with it, and have set at least three of my 12 books in that region. So don't tell me I don't know the region. I do....
Deb, correct me if I'm wrong but your writing genre is romance novels and they tend to be heavy on embellishment and drama. Now I'll grant you that compared to some, if not many, I'm a mere neophyte here but I live in the Ozarks fulltime through all four seasons and while the hill country has its own, unique personality and culture, as do its denizens I wouldn't use "redneck" to describe it.
Unlike hair color, it takes more than genes to be an Ozarker.
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But that's fine most Left Coasters stay away from SE Missouri cause it's their absolute worst nightmare
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And I'm really glad!
06-02-2011, 09:54 PM
Location: Silver Springs, FL
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And I'm really glad!
As am I!
I'll be in Missouri in 2 weeks, I can hardly wait!!!!!!
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People in Group quarters - Job Corps and vocational training facilities (%)
People in Group quarters - Other workers' dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Crews of maritime vessels (%)
People in Group quarters - Other nonhousehold living situations (%)
People in Group quarters - Other noninstitutional group quarters (%)
Residents speaking English at home (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking other language at home (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Foreign born (%)
Class of Workers - Employee of private company (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed in own incorporated business (%)
Class of Workers - Private not-for-profit wage and salary workers (%)
Class of Workers - Local government workers (%)
Class of Workers - State government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Federal government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed workers in own not incorporated business and Unpaid family workers (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - No fuel used (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - No fuel used (%)
Armed forces status - In Armed Forces (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Veteran (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Nonveteran (%)
Fatal accidents locations in years 2005-2021
Fatal accidents locations in 2005
Fatal accidents locations in 2006
Fatal accidents locations in 2007
Fatal accidents locations in 2008
Fatal accidents locations in 2009
Fatal accidents locations in 2010
Fatal accidents locations in 2011
Fatal accidents locations in 2012
Fatal accidents locations in 2013
Fatal accidents locations in 2014
Fatal accidents locations in 2015
Fatal accidents locations in 2016
Fatal accidents locations in 2017
Fatal accidents locations in 2018
Fatal accidents locations in 2019
Fatal accidents locations in 2020
Fatal accidents locations in 2021
Alcohol use - People drinking some alcohol every month (%)
Alcohol use - People not drinking at all (%)
Alcohol use - Average days/month drinking alcohol
Alcohol use - Average drinks/week
Alcohol use - Average days/year people drink much
Audiometry - Average condition of hearing (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear a whisper from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear normal voice from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - Ears ringing, roaring, buzzing (%)
Audiometry - Had a job exposure to loud noise (%)
Audiometry - Had off-work exposure to loud noise (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high blood pressure (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Checking blood pressure at home (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Frequently checking blood cholesterol (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high cholesterol level (%)
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at supermarket/grocery store
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at other stores
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on eating out
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on carryout/delivered foods
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at supermarket/grocery store (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at other stores (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on eating out (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on carryout/delivered foods (%)
Current Health Status - General health condition (%)
Current Health Status - Blood donors (%)
Current Health Status - Has blood ever tested for HIV virus (%)
Current Health Status - Left-handed people (%)
Dermatology - People using sunscreen (%)
Diabetes - Diabetics (%)
Diabetes - Had a blood test for high blood sugar (%)
Diabetes - People taking insulin (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Diet health (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Milk product consumption (# of products/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals not home prepared (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals from fast food or pizza place (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Ready-to-eat foods (#/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Frozen meals/pizza (#/month)
Drug Use - People that ever used marijuana or hashish (%)
Drug Use - Ever used hard drugs (%)
Drug Use - Ever used any form of cocaine (%)
Drug Use - Ever used heroin (%)
Drug Use - Ever used methamphetamine (%)
Health Insurance - People covered by health insurance (%)
Kidney Conditions-Urology - Avg. # of times urinating at night
Medical Conditions - People with asthma (%)
Medical Conditions - People with anemia (%)
Medical Conditions - People with psoriasis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with overweight (%)
Medical Conditions - Elderly people having difficulties in thinking or remembering (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever received blood transfusion (%)
Medical Conditions - People having trouble seeing even with glass/contacts (%)
Medical Conditions - People with arthritis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with gout (%)
Medical Conditions - People with congestive heart failure (%)
Medical Conditions - People with coronary heart disease (%)
Medical Conditions - People with angina pectoris (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had heart attack (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had stroke (%)
Medical Conditions - People with emphysema (%)
Medical Conditions - People with thyroid problem (%)
Medical Conditions - People with chronic bronchitis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with any liver condition (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had cancer or malignancy (%)
Mental Health - People who have little interest in doing things (%)
Mental Health - People feeling down, depressed, or hopeless (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble sleeping or sleeping too much (%)
Mental Health - People feeling tired or having little energy (%)
Mental Health - People with poor appetite or overeating (%)
Mental Health - People feeling bad about themself (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble concentrating on things (%)
Mental Health - People moving or speaking slowly or too fast (%)
Mental Health - People having thoughts they would be better off dead (%)
Oral Health - Average years since last visit a dentist
Oral Health - People embarrassed because of mouth (%)
Oral Health - People with gum disease (%)
Oral Health - General health of teeth and gums (%)
Oral Health - Average days a week using dental floss/device
Oral Health - Average days a week using mouthwash for dental problem
Oral Health - Average number of teeth
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to control insects (%)
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to kill weeds (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People walking or bicycling (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - Average hours a day doing sedentary activities
Physical Activity - Average hours a day watching TV or videos
Physical Activity - Average hours a day using computer
Physical Functioning - People having limitations keeping them from working (%)
Physical Functioning - People limited in amount of work they can do (%)
Physical Functioning - People that need special equipment to walk (%)
Physical Functioning - People experiencing confusion/memory problems (%)
Physical Functioning - People requiring special healthcare equipment (%)
Prescription Medications - Average number of prescription medicines taking
Preventive Aspirin Use - Adults 40+ taking low-dose aspirin (%)
Reproductive Health - Vaginal deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Cesarean deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Deliveries resulted in a live birth (%)
Reproductive Health - Pregnancies resulted in a delivery (%)
Reproductive Health - Women breastfeeding newborns (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had a hysterectomy (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had both ovaries removed (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever taken birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women taking birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used Depo-Provera or injectables (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used female hormones (%)
Sexual Behavior - People 18+ that ever had sex (vaginal, anal, or oral) (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had anal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had any sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had anal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had any kind of sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first had sex
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female vaginal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a woman (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of woman performed oral sex on in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male anal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a man (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male oral sex partners in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - People using protection when performing oral sex (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of times people have vaginal or anal sex a year
Sexual Behavior - People having sex without condom (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male vaginal sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Circumcised males 18+ (%)
Sleep Disorders - Average hours sleeping at night
Sleep Disorders - People that has trouble sleeping (%)
Smoking-Cigarette Use - People smoking cigarettes (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with smell (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with taste (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had wisdom teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had tonsils teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a loss of consciousness because of a head injury (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a broken nose or other serious injury to face or skull (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had two or more sinus infections (%)
Weight - Average height (inches)
Weight - Average weight (pounds)
Weight - Average BMI
Weight - People that are obese (%)
Weight - People that ever were obese (%)
Weight - People trying to lose weight (%)
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