05-25-2023, 04:38 PM
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xuLHJzDINP8
This particular accent of a president has always stood out to me as being a little hard to define compared to other presidents throughout history who's voices have been recorded. He clearly pronounces 'pin' as 'pen', which is a secondary southern linguistic feature, yet at the same time he lacks any sort of drawl or twang. Would this be considered a southern midland accent (a term for a type of dialect which I never could find what good example of one was, unlike the Northern Midland which is what's considered "General American") by today's standards? I wonder because many of the regions in the Lower Midwest where this dialect is spoken today would very likely have had different speech patterns 100 years ago, when Harry S. Truman came of age.
05-25-2023, 07:17 PM
Location: StlNoco Mo, where the woodbine twineth
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I don't notice much of an accent with Truman, he sounds like most of the people I know. I do find him to be one of the most interesting presidents to read about.
He had an uncle that really liked to pull the trigger.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Chiles
05-25-2023, 09:58 PM
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Southern Midlands.
05-25-2023, 10:26 PM
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Southern Midlands.
Agree. He's from an area of MO that would be considered. It's an accent heard in half of Kansas, over half of Oklahoma, and far norther parts of the TX Panhandle. Not fully midwestern, not fully southern. I'd say it's a transition zone accent of the great plains and southern. More southern further south you get. I mean the NE part of Kansas it covers wont sound like Nevada Missouri obviously.
Lamar MO lies right on the South Midland and South accent line according to the univ of PA study. Then again that whole area of SW MO as well as eastern OK and also NW AR like Fayetteville and Rogers Arkansas seem to have a lot of Midlands influence, Great Plains influences as well compared to the rest of the south.
Btw Truman's family was pro South and some fought in the Confederate Army. I suspect Truman's mom and grandmother had much more southern accents due to the time they were born in. His Grandmother refused to stay in the Lincoln bedroom.
Lamar, Joplin, Fayetteville, Rogers/ NW Arkansas seem sorta quasi southern. They all I would label south before midwest but they have a lot of great plains influences in their culture as well that can't be ignored. Like Branson seems more southern than areas to the west. I don't see much plains influence in Branson. Fully southern in an Ozarks, upper south sense unlike Lamar or Joplin.
In more modern times Peter Kinder is a great example as a Missourian with a southern accent. A lot of speech pattern similarities to Arkansas governor Mike Beebe. Then again Kinder is from SEMO which shares a similar accent to NE AR where Beebe is from. Makes sense Trump appointed him to the Delta Regional Authority.
https://www.google.com/search?q=univ...bfB2WflBpuBFCM
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05-26-2023, 11:14 AM
Location: The High Desert
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Harry Truman left Lamar as an infant. The family/parents were farmers and they relocated to Jackson County - Grandview and at Independence by the time he was school age. He had an odd childhood by our standards and came into contact with a variety of people and influencers. He attended a Presbyterian church school in his early years. Had a well-known KC piano teacher. He was in the military in WWI and worked for the Santa Fe railroad in Oklahoma. He did Sabbath chores for a religious Jewish family. His mom was born before the Civil War and experienced the forced displacement of General Order 11 and pro-Union guerilla raids from Kansas. She had southern sympathies and went to a women's college in Lexington, still a somewhat southern enclave today. We don't know what her accent was but it most likely a genteel western Missouri rural accent. Truman and his mother were close. Truman's father was born in Jackson County and was engaged in local politics in the early Pendergast years.
I knew some older people from Moniteau and Pettis counties that had a similar speech accent. I would guess that Southern Midlands would cover it as much as anything else. You don't hear it much among younger people now and Truman's accent might be dying out.
Midwestern voices....Listen to Bob Dole and Al Gore and you might hear a little of Harry Truman. A lot more with Fred R. Harris.
https://youtu.be/Nyff_2DMd2k Bob Dole (Kansas)
https://youtu.be/96xV5nPcFQc Al Gore (Tennessee)
https://youtu.be/YKrPLVTb4g8 Adlai Stevenson (Illinois)
https://youtu.be/7Au2-J-3on0 Everett Dirksen (downstate Illinois)
https://youtu.be/s1H3igCvzpU LBJ (Texas -- with Dirksen on the phone)
https://youtu.be/R0TjLc93alg George McGovern (South Dakota)
https://youtu.be/ WBAXPomW-cg Gerald Ford (Michigan)
https://youtu.be/MUlddVibLQI Fred R. Harris (Oklahoma)
https://youtu.be/ppvsJnHqsvQ Harry Truman (Missouri) Merle Miller (Iowa)
05-26-2023, 05:43 PM
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Harry Truman left Lamar as an infant. The family/parents were farmers and they relocated to Jackson County - Grandview and at Independence by the time he was school age. He had an odd childhood by our standards and came into contact with a variety of people and influencers. He attended a Presbyterian church school in his early years. Had a well-known KC piano teacher. He was in the military in WWI and worked for the Santa Fe railroad in Oklahoma. He did Sabbath chores for a religious Jewish family. His mom was born before the Civil War and experienced the forced displacement of General Order 11 and pro-Union guerilla raids from Kansas. She had southern sympathies and went to a women's college in Lexington, still a somewhat southern enclave today. We don't know what her accent was but it most likely a genteel western Missouri rural accent. Truman and his mother were close. Truman's father was born in Jackson County and was engaged in local politics in the early Pendergast years.
I knew some older people from Moniteau and Pettis counties that had a similar speech accent. I would guess that Southern Midlands would cover it as much as anything else. You don't hear it much among younger people now and Truman's accent might be dying out.
Midwestern voices....Listen to Bob Dole and Al Gore and you might hear a little of Harry Truman. A lot more with Fred R. Harris.
https://youtu.be/Nyff_2DMd2k Bob Dole (Kansas)
https://youtu.be/96xV5nPcFQc Al Gore (Tennessee)
https://youtu.be/YKrPLVTb4g8 Adlai Stevenson (Illinois)
https://youtu.be/7Au2-J-3on0 Everett Dirksen (downstate Illinois)
https://youtu.be/s1H3igCvzpU LBJ (Texas -- with Dirksen on the phone)
https://youtu.be/R0TjLc93alg George McGovern (South Dakota)
https://youtu.be/ WBAXPomW-cg Gerald Ford (Michigan)
https://youtu.be/MUlddVibLQI Fred R. Harris (Oklahoma)
https://youtu.be/ppvsJnHqsvQ Harry Truman (Missouri) Merle Miller (Iowa)
Al Gore is from TN and doesn't have a really thick accent. He sounds nothing like Peter Kinder for example that has a typical SEMO accent that is southern.
Someone like Harry Truman I guess could be a good example of a person from the "transition zone." Influences from both. Someone like Governor Hearnes from example is full blown southern. He was considered a dixiecrat when he represented the Bootheel in the general assembly.
Governor Parson is a good example of a person from the transition zone in MO. Certainly he has southern influences in his speech, and politically he leans southern.
05-27-2023, 07:14 AM
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Gore doesnt sound very southern to me at all. Carter does. Byrd has Appalachian influence too. He's from the fringes of the south.
05-27-2023, 01:33 PM
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People in Group quarters - Military quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - On base (%)
People in Group quarters - Barracks, unaccompanied personnel housing (UPH), (Enlisted/Officer), ;and similar group living quarters for military personnel (%)
People in Group quarters - Transient quarters for temporary residents (%)
People in Group quarters - Military ships (%)
People in Group quarters - Group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes or halfway houses for drug/alcohol abuse (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally retarded (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Other group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Religious group quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - Dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Agriculture workers' dormitories on farms (%)
People in Group quarters - Job Corps and vocational training facilities (%)
People in Group quarters - Other workers' dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Crews of maritime vessels (%)
People in Group quarters - Other nonhousehold living situations (%)
People in Group quarters - Other noninstitutional group quarters (%)
Residents speaking English at home (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking other language at home (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Foreign born (%)
Class of Workers - Employee of private company (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed in own incorporated business (%)
Class of Workers - Private not-for-profit wage and salary workers (%)
Class of Workers - Local government workers (%)
Class of Workers - State government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Federal government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed workers in own not incorporated business and Unpaid family workers (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - No fuel used (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - No fuel used (%)
Armed forces status - In Armed Forces (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Veteran (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Nonveteran (%)
Fatal accidents locations in years 2005-2021
Fatal accidents locations in 2005
Fatal accidents locations in 2006
Fatal accidents locations in 2007
Fatal accidents locations in 2008
Fatal accidents locations in 2009
Fatal accidents locations in 2010
Fatal accidents locations in 2011
Fatal accidents locations in 2012
Fatal accidents locations in 2013
Fatal accidents locations in 2014
Fatal accidents locations in 2015
Fatal accidents locations in 2016
Fatal accidents locations in 2017
Fatal accidents locations in 2018
Fatal accidents locations in 2019
Fatal accidents locations in 2020
Fatal accidents locations in 2021
Alcohol use - People drinking some alcohol every month (%)
Alcohol use - People not drinking at all (%)
Alcohol use - Average days/month drinking alcohol
Alcohol use - Average drinks/week
Alcohol use - Average days/year people drink much
Audiometry - Average condition of hearing (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear a whisper from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear normal voice from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - Ears ringing, roaring, buzzing (%)
Audiometry - Had a job exposure to loud noise (%)
Audiometry - Had off-work exposure to loud noise (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high blood pressure (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Checking blood pressure at home (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Frequently checking blood cholesterol (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high cholesterol level (%)
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at supermarket/grocery store
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at other stores
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on eating out
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on carryout/delivered foods
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at supermarket/grocery store (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at other stores (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on eating out (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on carryout/delivered foods (%)
Current Health Status - General health condition (%)
Current Health Status - Blood donors (%)
Current Health Status - Has blood ever tested for HIV virus (%)
Current Health Status - Left-handed people (%)
Dermatology - People using sunscreen (%)
Diabetes - Diabetics (%)
Diabetes - Had a blood test for high blood sugar (%)
Diabetes - People taking insulin (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Diet health (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Milk product consumption (# of products/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals not home prepared (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals from fast food or pizza place (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Ready-to-eat foods (#/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Frozen meals/pizza (#/month)
Drug Use - People that ever used marijuana or hashish (%)
Drug Use - Ever used hard drugs (%)
Drug Use - Ever used any form of cocaine (%)
Drug Use - Ever used heroin (%)
Drug Use - Ever used methamphetamine (%)
Health Insurance - People covered by health insurance (%)
Kidney Conditions-Urology - Avg. # of times urinating at night
Medical Conditions - People with asthma (%)
Medical Conditions - People with anemia (%)
Medical Conditions - People with psoriasis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with overweight (%)
Medical Conditions - Elderly people having difficulties in thinking or remembering (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever received blood transfusion (%)
Medical Conditions - People having trouble seeing even with glass/contacts (%)
Medical Conditions - People with arthritis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with gout (%)
Medical Conditions - People with congestive heart failure (%)
Medical Conditions - People with coronary heart disease (%)
Medical Conditions - People with angina pectoris (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had heart attack (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had stroke (%)
Medical Conditions - People with emphysema (%)
Medical Conditions - People with thyroid problem (%)
Medical Conditions - People with chronic bronchitis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with any liver condition (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had cancer or malignancy (%)
Mental Health - People who have little interest in doing things (%)
Mental Health - People feeling down, depressed, or hopeless (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble sleeping or sleeping too much (%)
Mental Health - People feeling tired or having little energy (%)
Mental Health - People with poor appetite or overeating (%)
Mental Health - People feeling bad about themself (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble concentrating on things (%)
Mental Health - People moving or speaking slowly or too fast (%)
Mental Health - People having thoughts they would be better off dead (%)
Oral Health - Average years since last visit a dentist
Oral Health - People embarrassed because of mouth (%)
Oral Health - People with gum disease (%)
Oral Health - General health of teeth and gums (%)
Oral Health - Average days a week using dental floss/device
Oral Health - Average days a week using mouthwash for dental problem
Oral Health - Average number of teeth
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to control insects (%)
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to kill weeds (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People walking or bicycling (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - Average hours a day doing sedentary activities
Physical Activity - Average hours a day watching TV or videos
Physical Activity - Average hours a day using computer
Physical Functioning - People having limitations keeping them from working (%)
Physical Functioning - People limited in amount of work they can do (%)
Physical Functioning - People that need special equipment to walk (%)
Physical Functioning - People experiencing confusion/memory problems (%)
Physical Functioning - People requiring special healthcare equipment (%)
Prescription Medications - Average number of prescription medicines taking
Preventive Aspirin Use - Adults 40+ taking low-dose aspirin (%)
Reproductive Health - Vaginal deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Cesarean deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Deliveries resulted in a live birth (%)
Reproductive Health - Pregnancies resulted in a delivery (%)
Reproductive Health - Women breastfeeding newborns (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had a hysterectomy (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had both ovaries removed (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever taken birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women taking birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used Depo-Provera or injectables (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used female hormones (%)
Sexual Behavior - People 18+ that ever had sex (vaginal, anal, or oral) (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had anal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had any sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had anal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had any kind of sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first had sex
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female vaginal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a woman (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of woman performed oral sex on in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male anal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a man (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male oral sex partners in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - People using protection when performing oral sex (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of times people have vaginal or anal sex a year
Sexual Behavior - People having sex without condom (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male vaginal sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Circumcised males 18+ (%)
Sleep Disorders - Average hours sleeping at night
Sleep Disorders - People that has trouble sleeping (%)
Smoking-Cigarette Use - People smoking cigarettes (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with smell (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with taste (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had wisdom teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had tonsils teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a loss of consciousness because of a head injury (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a broken nose or other serious injury to face or skull (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had two or more sinus infections (%)
Weight - Average height (inches)
Weight - Average weight (pounds)
Weight - Average BMI
Weight - People that are obese (%)
Weight - People that ever were obese (%)
Weight - People trying to lose weight (%)
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